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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-23-2022
(05-23-2022, 10:44 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Nup not for me. Carrol has done enough to remain, and if the scribes are to be believed, you can expect to see Williamson before Dow.Agree on Carroll, good footballer with the right attack on the ball, he stays imo.
I like Dow, I respect him immensely and hope he makes it but the acquisition of Cerra is a tell that he might be the next cab off the rank for a trade particularly with what Carroll has shown he can do.
It makes sense. Hewett and Cerra fill the holes in a way that he cant, which makes him at best a depth option. If he is happy to sit around and wait for a chance, he could be the next Cripps, but he is too good to waste his time in the magoos and we will need to churn through those spots on the list to find room for other players eventually.
The wings have become more important in the modern game and I think Carroll can be a quality player of the future and has more about him than Dow at this stage.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - DJC - 05-23-2022
It was interesting watching Dow in the VFL. He won plenty of the ball and kicked two nice goals early. However, he didn’t do much else and had little influence on the outcome of the game.
He did go forward and took a nice mark on a lead but missed the shot at goal. Unless he develops another dimension to his game, Dow is not going to displace anyone from last game’s 22.
Dow could replace Kemp as the sub but there’s no way Carroll goes out for him.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Gointocarlton - 05-24-2022
(05-23-2022, 11:19 AM)DJC link Wrote:It was interesting watching Dow in the VFL. He won plenty of the ball and kicked two nice goals early. However, he didn’t do much else and had little influence on the outcome of the game.So no to replacing the Commodore with a Merc?
He did go forward and took a nice mark on a lead but missed the shot at goal. Unless he develops another dimension to his game, Dow is not going to displace anyone from last game’s 22.
Dow could replace Kemp as the sub but there’s no way Carroll goes out for him.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - WASurfer - 05-24-2022
If it's purely a choice for sub, then Kemp probably gets the nod for no other reason than he could fill a few more different holes than Dow depending on who was getting subbed out. Dow's VFL form has been very consistent but if he's predominantly an inside mid, then he's not getting past the Cripps, Walsh, Kennedy, Hewett, Cerra lineup at the moment.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - DJC - 05-24-2022
Apart from some time as a lead up forward, Dow is being used as an inside mid. There’s no wish to change his role and, as Surfy stated, he’s not going to displace any of our five first choice mids. He’s not going to displace the part time mids either, unless he can become a consistent goal kicker and apply defensive pressure.
Kemp wasn’t prominent in the VFL so Dow could get the sub role despite his lack of versatility. However, I suspect that Willo may have done enough to get the gig this Sunday.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - townsendcalling - 05-24-2022
(05-24-2022, 01:55 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:If it's purely a choice for sub, then Kemp probably gets the nod for no other reason than he could fill a few more different holes than Dow depending on who was getting subbed out. Dow's VFL form has been very consistent but if he's predominantly an inside mid, then he's not getting past the Cripps, Walsh, Kennedy, Hewett, Cerra lineup at the moment.
A number of clubs are rolling the dice and putting 'pace' in as the medical sub, banking on the fact that they might be able to whip someone off with a bogus injury in the last quarter and replace them with leg speed. When we have a full list available I think Cottrell will find himself with that specialist role, which he fills very well.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 05-24-2022
(05-24-2022, 03:30 AM)DJC date Wrote:Kemp wasn’t prominent in the VFL so Dow could get the sub role despite his lack of versatility. However, I suspect that Willo may have done enough to get the gig this Sunday.That could be right, but it might be weather dependant.
Dow is interesting, he can win a significant volume of inside footy but that is where it seems to end, it was good to see him score but I can't say his field kicking has improved and he had a couple of Barry Crocker disposals. A he is still not laying many tackles, almost like he has been told not to!
Kemp threw himself around, but didn't get too many good outcomes from his efforts. For me this is a no win situation, he's just not a defender no matter how much people want him to be, his game lifts once he can move forward of centre. But the renaissance of Gov and return of Marchbank might doom Kemp because in the short term both have Kemp comfortably covered for disposal, it all depends on time and outlook.
Some must be on the trade table at seasons end, it's untenable to keep them all, and that may affect this weeks selections as much as any other issue!
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - pew2 - 05-24-2022
we must NOT bomb the ball into f50 they would get back and rebound so quick into coll f50 either degoey or elliot or henry one of those players will play the leading FF with space to lead . We need to hit targets throughout the field that is was tigers did .
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - pinot - 05-24-2022
(05-24-2022, 06:22 AM)pew2 link Wrote:we must NOT bomb the ball into f50 they would get back and rebound so quick into coll f50 either degoey or elliot or henry one of those players will play the leading FF with space to lead . We need to hit targets throughout the field that is was tigers did .
Our game plan is largely dependant on bringing small forwards into the game around the ground we consistently outnumber the opposition in post clearance. We dont have any leading forwards.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - DJC - 05-24-2022
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Our game plan is largely dependant on bringing small forwards into the game around the ground we consistently outnumber the opposition in post clearance. We dont have any leading forwards.
While bringing the ball to ground is an important part of our game plan, we do have leading forwards and generally manage to honour several leads each game. Harry leads more than most but Charlie, Jack, Durdin and Owies make many leads too. Cripps and Kennedy often lead when playing forward and De Koning kicked a nice goal after leading into the pocket against the Swans.
Our swarming small forwards make the opposition defenders very concerned about the ball going to ground and Charlie (in Harry’s absence) gets plenty of frees for holding in marking contests.
Bombing the ball inside 50 may not work but deep entries to a contest where we have created an extra number will generally create a scoring shot.