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Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - jeza - 10-05-2020
(10-05-2020, 03:43 AM)tonyo link Wrote:Problem is, Jeza, we have a % of the population who aren't even sophisticated (or smart) enough to wear a mask, stay within 5km of their home, and not have birthday parties. They screw it for all of us because they think none of it applies to them.
Dan et al had hours and days, not weeks and months, to implement a workable plan. They simply went with lowest common denominator, because it is the lowest common denominators that this virus absolutely thrives upon.
I am no fan of what we have to put up with, but pretending it will just go away is mindless. And don't even get me started about the idiots dancing on St Kilda beach.......
I agree. Not saying we need to throw away the masks and reopen today in true Karen style.
But where's the sophistication here? This focus on pure indefinite lockdown with no precise tactics designed to keep us safer than we were last time fills me with absolute dread because the same thing is going to happen.
Anyway - that's enough ranting for one day.
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - LP - 10-05-2020
(10-05-2020, 03:44 AM)jeza date Wrote:We should have set up some portables in the middle of paddocks in Puckapunyal and had the ADF patrolling.Unfortunately [member=281]jeza[/member] , the people they need to lock up are probably asymptomatic super-spreaders who were out partying at St Kilda over the weekend, not the severely ill in isolation wards!
The bad ones are the fake-an-illness mask exemption types, it's only a cold types, and then what happens is the government is labelled totalitarian locking up people who seem not sick!
They need to lock up the Trump types, dumb-arse joy-riders out to prove there is nothing wrong with them, Typhoid Trump!
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - Thryleon - 10-05-2020
(10-05-2020, 03:44 AM)jeza link Wrote:In my view if you want to call Dan something it's Dumbass Dan. Delusional maybe.
My main frustration here is that this criticism involves ZERO convenient hindsight. I was saying for weeks the hotel quarantine was a crazy idea full stop. You only had to see the daily covid cases - sometimes 11 in one day and 10 of them were in hotel quarantine. Why???? Why were we letting those sorts of numbers back in and why bring them on a bus to the most heavily populated part of the state to quarantine - and pay for it?? We should have set up some portables in the middle of paddocks in Puckapunyal and had the ADF patrolling. When devastation of the entire state is at risk that is what should have been happening and I was saying it for weeks - right up until we hit 700 cases per day.
What did Dan do? He had guys who mind a turnstile at Marvel Stadium sharing lifts with returned travellers then going home to large family gatherings/prayer groups. To say it was madness doesn't do it justice. It is unconscionable, it cost lives and livelihoods on a scale beyond any other stuff-up in the history of the country.
Those who question the arsonist analogy are probably right. He's more akin to a guy on a day of total fire ban that decides today's the day I'm going test my homemade fireworks... then shows up to try put the fire out and play the hero.
I think you missed the point of me asking that question. This isnt about absolving Dan's decision making in hindsight, or stating he didnt know any different.
My main frustration is that people keep talking like they know that things would be better or different had the ADF been involved, but there is a simple reality being missed about this. Imagine someone being described as a despot basically enforcing martial law for returned travellers.
How do you think he would be viewed?
Let alone take them to remote areas for quarantine.
Amazing stuff. These people have rights they arent cattle to be put in pastures in the middle of nowhere, and most of them thumbed their noses at the process anyway.
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - dodge - 10-05-2020
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-15/nsw-coronavirus-update-seven-new-cases-testing-rates-down/12664366
ADF aren't angels (for those who think this is an ABC bias, it is on plenty of other news sites as well)
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - dodge - 10-05-2020
One of my mates sons has recently joined the police force and was stationed at the housing commission when that went into it's own lockdown. Said it was absolute chaos.
Reckons that ADF would have set up HQ and had a strong chain of command - something that was sorely missing. This is where the difference - security guys don't have the understanding or discipline.
Back to the question - because the options are so terrible, people look to the fringe that represents their views the closest. The result is a disjointed and disfunctional parliament because a heap of fringe groups that are policy shallow need to be appeased to get legislation through. Personally, I rarely vote same upper and lower house parties (but keep to the main) - keep the b#$stards honest and all that.
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - madbluboy - 10-20-2020
Daniel Andrews disdain for women who challenge him is concerning
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/rita-panahi-daniel-andrews-disdain-for-women-who-challenge-him-is-concerning/news-story/aff2c863ef2e27953db6c165cf7dc04e
Dan Andrews appears to have a problem with strong women who have the courage to stand up to him.
We have seen the Premier be a mixture of condescending, dismissive and openly hostile to the female members of the media who have dared pose tough questions at his daily press conference.
It can make for uncomfortable viewing as the Premier switches from the jovial, matey tone he reserves for the likes of Lundy, Noely and Raffy to the barely concealed disdain he appears to have for many of the women who’ve challenged him, including Peta Credlin, Rachel Baxendale and Gabriella Power.
That behaviour has emboldened the Dan cult to be ever more misogynistic in their attacks against any woman seen to challenge Dear Leader, even if that “challenge” is wearing a certain T-shirt or feeling sympathy for a small-business owner.
Last week Sam Armytage was in the crosshairs of the dementedly dimwitted #istandwithDan mob who are also regularly trending the #DanforPM hashtag.
Armytage’s great offence was to express support for struggling shop owner Harry Hutchinson who was fined $10,000 for opening his Berwick store, Harry’s Clothing, during lockdown. That was enough for an almighty pile-on, with gutless keyboard warriors attacking the Sunrise host en masse.
The freebie, click-bait news sites (and I use the term “news” loosely) were in overdrive fanning the hysteria further with reports approvingly regurgitating some of the abuse from Twitter trolls.
Much of the ugly abuse is not fit for publication but it saw Armytage trend for most of the day on the social media site. It’s incredible just how sexist and intolerant people who claim to be feminists, both male and female, can be when a woman expresses an opinion perceived as critical of their man, Dan.
On Monday it was Jaggad owner Bec Judd who was trending on Twitter thanks to a mass meltdown from the Dan disciples. What had she done, you may ask?
Did she deliberately break restrictions, launch a blistering attack against “Dictator Dan” or make a provocative political statement? No, the mother of four wore a T-shirt raising money for Beyond Blue saying “Free Melbourne” while she did her hair in an “Instagram story” (brief videos or images that disappear within 24 hours of being posted). That’s it.
That was enough to have her trending on Twitter because apparently anything other than blind devotion to not only Dan but also the world’s longest lockdown is tantamount to heresy. Again, much of the abuse Judd copped was sexist, vicious and borne of jealousy.
The phenomenon of mass trolling anyone who isn’t seen to be sufficiently supportive of Dan has even led to prominent leftist women being targeted, including the ABC’s Patricia Karvelas and former Age writer Jill Stark.
But the harshest online attacks have been reserved for women in the media, both journalists and commentators, who call out the litany of lies and errors that have characterised Victoria’s COVID-19 response.
While Dan’s media mates serve up Dorothy Dixers and run interference for the Premier at the pressers, a number of fierce females have strived to keep Andrews accountable for his many mistakes, mistruths and daily sessions in spin and obfuscation.
No journalist has done as much as Credlin in applying pressure on Andrews and the Coate inquiry to expose the truth. And for that, she has copped the worst of the invective. It’s one thing to have nameless, faceless trolls undermining Credlin but there’s no shortage of envious media operatives who are also questioning whether she has a right to be at the press conference.
The Age’s Chip Le Grand wrote Credlin “is not a journalist, she is a partisan, political operative. Mr Andrews is within his rights to tell her to bugger off”. Perhaps if more journalists did their job, Credlin wouldn’t have to attend.
The Age also ran a pathetic hit-job by a left-wing academic who called Credlin “part of the shrill chorus of right-wing pundits who appear after dark on Rupert Murdoch’s Sky News pay television channel”, which he laughably claimed is “devoted to promoting extreme, anti-scientific and often offensive views that reflect a reactionary ideology”.
It’s adorable that a far-left, taxpayer-funded hack believes he is fair, impartial and in tune with the mainstream.
Sky News, far from being extreme, was the only TV network sufficiently in touch with the Australian public to recognise the backlash against Labor’s radical policies at last year’s federal election. Meanwhile, staff at that billion-dollar tax drain, the ABC, continue to be among Dan’s biggest supporters, just as they were with Bill Shorten. Remember him?
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - Tragic - 10-20-2020
Dunno if I'll vote for Dan, but I might. Hotel quarantine was a debacle, when compared against the other states, but not compared to the rest of the world. As mentioned above, hindsight is a wonderful thing, and maybe it would have gotten out anyway, but probably not if done better.
The question we always ask at work in times of crisis is how to fix it and how to stop it happening again. Acknowledge mistakes were made, but the focus must be on how to resolve the crisis. I think Dan's done that. When we recording 700 cases a day nobody can deny we were looking at heading the way of much of the rest of the world. If drastic actions weren't taken we'd now be like the US, Europe, etc... It would be too hard to contain and trace, and our deaths would be much higher.
If Vic didn't lock down and just let the thing run rampant once it was out, we would not be looking at something resembling normal by Christmas. As it stands, if Vic can become like NSW & Qld, then the whole country can open our internal borders (except maybe WA) and shops. If we had cracked a month ago, when we had 20-50 odd cases a day, it wouldn't take long for that to have climbed again. Feds are slagging Dan for staying the course, but the end result of staying the course will be good for the entire country, not just Vics. It's not about how we look in a month's time, it's how we look over the course of the next year or so.
And even so, there is still a real risk the bloody thing hangs around, escapes again, and causes more problems. It's the nature of the beast. But - the more we take it seriously, and the more seriously we take the lessons learnt, the more likely we can contain it next time.
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - madbluboy - 10-20-2020
They wanted 1000 rich mates at the Cox plate on Saturday and only reversed the decision because of the backlash.
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - Gointocarlton - 10-21-2020
Like the local council elections, I would tick my name off so I don't get fined, wipe my ass with the ballot paper and stick it in the box.
Re: Who would you vote for in a State Election if held this weekend 28/09 - kruddler - 10-21-2020
(10-20-2020, 09:16 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Daniel Andrews disdain for women who challenge him is concerning
My wife listens to his press conferences like its her new religeon.
There has been numerous times that she's shouted at the tv, telling the female reports to stop asking stupid questions and let it go.
If my wife was anymore feminist she'd be shacking up with another chick, so for her to say that it was clearly about what she was saying, not what was between her legs (or not).
Its basically like Mick Malthouse cracking the sh!t$ with Mark Stevens back in the day. If you're a knob, you get treated like one.