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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - flyboy77 - 04-28-2019
Can Bolton survive if we lose (or capitulate) to North?
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - PaulP - 04-28-2019
(04-28-2019, 08:27 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:You can slice it anyway you want Paul.
Whatever BB's message was at half time - it failed dismally.
The players - everyone of them - was comatose at the start of Q3.
They didn't run, they missed tackles, they took the wrong option and they moved the ball incredibly slowly.
Hooray.
so his message was "just relax boys, we got this, got out and play like you don't care, and play like we've already won."
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - bignic - 04-28-2019
(04-28-2019, 08:16 AM)PaulP link Wrote:That's crazy. You have Docherty, Walls, Bolton, Teague, Barker, various analysts, statisticians etc., all watching the game, and you don't think that between that cast of thousands, one of them might see what the experts on here can see ? Do you think, maybe, just maybe, that whatever changes are made or not made, there may be some reasoning behind it ? That they may know a little more about the state of play than you or me ?
But no, by all means, sack the coach.
The buck stops with Bolton. And I know from personal knowledge, that he's as stubborn as they come, and believes that he has a game plan which will ultimately win every game.
Problem is, he and his plan, are to frigging complicated.
He's a school teacher by trade, but thinks he's talking to Doctors of Philosophy, who probably wouldn't understand him either.
He's talking to young blokes. Keep it simple.
Make changes when necessary. Don't let Omeara get a record number of possy's before you finally tag him.
Make sure they come out firing for the third quarter.
I posted here a few weeks ago, that for all the above reasons, he's a hack as a coach.
But for me, the ULTIMATE reason was that first round against Richmond this year.
86,000 people. The boys are supposedly fitter than ever, and frankly, that last quarter today with three men down proved that Russel has got them very fit.
They had been chomping at the bit to play.
And you, Brendan Bolton, our head coach, couldn't get them wound up enough to come out and make a at least a contest of the first quarter against Richmond.
So what did we get, as a result of your failure to fire them up, 5 goals to ZERO.
Five goals to three would have been acceptable, and who knows, maybe a win would have resulted.
I frankly don't know who we can get, but anyone with half a football brain has got to be better than him.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - flyboy77 - 04-28-2019
(04-28-2019, 08:29 AM)PaulP link Wrote:so his message was "just relax boys, we got this, got out and play like you don't care, and play like we've already won."
I don't give a f...what he said....quite frankly.
The outcome was as you suggest.
Inexcusable. Again.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - Barbs - 04-28-2019
(04-28-2019, 08:27 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:I'd find it hard to believe this was a directive, BUT ... how many of us had that sense of dread at half time?I did. Couldn’t help but think that if we blow it it’s really going to hurt.
I was right.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - flyboy77 - 04-28-2019
At some point, someone needs to say - this bloke isn't up to it.
Given plenty of chances, nice guy, but not getting the results.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - PaulP - 04-28-2019
(04-28-2019, 08:31 AM)bignic link Wrote:The buck stops with Bolton. And I know from personal knowledge, that he's as stubborn as they come, and believes that he has a game plan which will ultimately win every game.
Problem is, he and his plan, are to frigging complicated.
He's a school teacher by trade, but thinks he's talking to Doctors of Philosophy, who probably wouldn't understand him either.
He's talking to young blokes. Keep it simple.
Make changes when necessary. Don't let Omeara get a record number of possy's before you finally tag him.
Make sure they come out firing for the third quarter.
I posted here a few weeks ago, that for all the above reasons, he's a hack as a coach.
But for me, the ULTIMATE reason was that first round against Richmond this year.
86,000 people. The boys are supposedly fitter than ever, and frankly, that last quarter today with three men down proved that Russel has got them very fit.
They had been chomping at the bit to play.
And you, Brendan Bolton, our head coach, couldn't get them wound up enough to come out and make a at least a contest of the first quarter against Richmond.
So what did we get, as a result of your failure to fire them up, 5 goals to ZERO.
Five goals to three would have been acceptable, and who knows, maybe a win would have resulted.
I frankly don't know who we can get, but anyone with half a football brain has got to be better than him.
Right, so find me a successful coach who doesn't have enormous self belief ? Matthews, Parkin, Clarkson, all pushovers and pussies I assume ? Find me a coach who doesn't want players like Doc, who can think for themselves ? Games are won and lost in moments. Players that can make the right decision at the right time get the win. Ask the Hawks. They have smart, experienced players and a smart, strong willed coach.
But no, sack Bolton now. Don't delay.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - laj - 04-28-2019
(04-28-2019, 08:27 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I know the stats. I know you think we have a fab list. I would qualify that by saying we have a fab DEVELOPING list. And yes, there is a difference, and yes the difference matters.
Quit the f excuses. It's 4 wins from 38, and 1-5 in a year we should be going up the ladder. A fab list makes top 4, a fab developing list finishing top 10 with 9-10 and being at least half way to finals competitive much of year. You know it, I know it. You need to admit that rather than spin your way around it.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - tex - 04-28-2019
Have been at the last 2 games. Firstly, good to see us get a win last week.
I was cautiously optimistic leading in this week, but didn’t think we would prevail.
We had them rattled mid to late in the second quarter - finger pointing going on everywhere. That being said, Hawks had made some very sloppy mistakes.
Second half - they seemed to have an extra number around the contests. Kreuzer and the mids went from easily dominating to tail chasing.
We also lost our HB to HF connection badly - I’m not sure if this was when Simmo went off or not. But McKay and McGovern were no where to be found. I think BB took Mitch down to cover HB, but it was robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Final quarter - inevitable, but I was happy we worked our way back into it twice
The final McKay mark happened right in front of us - couldn’t hear the siren.
Lock McKay up for 5years plus - has smarts, heart, can mark, kick, run and goal.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn - PaulP - 04-28-2019
(04-28-2019, 08:39 AM)laj link Wrote:Quit the f excuses. It's 4 wins from 38, and 1-5 in a year we should be going up the ladder. A fab list makes top 4, a fab developing list finishing top 10 with 9-10 and being at least half way to finals competitive much of year. You know it, I know it. You need to admit that rather than spin your way around it.
They're not excuses and it's not spin.