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Cripps on the couch - Printable Version +- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com) +-- Forum: Social Club (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-6.html) +--- Forum: Blah-Blah Bar (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-23.html) +--- Thread: Cripps on the couch (/thread-3790.html) |
Re: Cripps on the couch - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-17-2018 (05-17-2018, 08:45 AM)Lods link Wrote:See I don't get that....and it it just a matter of opinion My view is based on the perception of the public and media.........I have no doubt Cripps is seen as the most important player at the club and the one who win games.......his caricature is on every piece of marketing too. Docherty is a fine player but not capable of being the inspiration that Cripps is IMO.......he is Mr sensible, Mr reliable, but none too exciting....... IMO the club heavyweights will make the choice and the captain will be as much about the off field as the on field and by that who pulls more members through the door and who they can market for max effect and IMO there is only one winner and by a fair way... Re: Cripps on the couch - PaulP - 05-17-2018 EB, Tom Harley and Nick Maxwell were not the pin up boys at their clubs - I don't remember the media going into meltdown during their captaincy. I just think the captain needs to be the one who has the best chance of capturing the hearts and minds of the players, who can keep their cool and make the right decisions at the right time, someone the coach can trust to do the right thing, and someone who can steady the ship when required. There is a certain brains v brawn aspect to this. It's about more than media pets and bulldozing around the stoppages. At least IMO. Re: Cripps on the couch - kruddler - 05-17-2018 (05-17-2018, 09:27 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Swans had 3 in 2005 I had to go back and research that. Apparently that is incorrect. They had 6. Kinda. But that was only because their actual captain stood down mid-season. https://www.smh.com.au/news/AFL/Why-Swans-chose-six-captains/2005/05/11/1115585031843.html Quote:Sydney yesterday named six captains who will rotate the role for the final 15 rounds - and the finals if necessary. It was forced upon them somewhat. Re: Cripps on the couch - kruddler - 05-17-2018 (05-17-2018, 10:08 AM)PaulP link Wrote:EB, Tom Harley and Nick Maxwell were not the pin up boys at their clubs - I don't remember the media going into meltdown during their captaincy. Thats what i was getting at earlier... It depends which way the club want to go. Game-day heroics or Off-field managers of the group. 2 completely different types of captain. Lately, we've always gone the first option. I'd almost prefer the latter. Re: Cripps on the couch - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-17-2018 Maxwell and Harley were appointed for factional reasons........different kettle of fish..... Collingwood and Geelong had several player groups and these two were neutrals acceptable by all parties....... One other determining factor maybe who actually wants the job.....Cripps or Docherty may not be comfortable taking the job on..... Re: Cripps on the couch - kruddler - 05-17-2018 (05-17-2018, 11:19 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Maxwell and Harley were appointed for factional reasons........different kettle of fish..... ...and why were these 2 groups created? The previous captain inadvertently created them?? ![]() Re: Cripps on the couch - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-17-2018 (05-17-2018, 11:26 AM)kruddler link Wrote:...and why were these 2 groups created? The previous captain inadvertently created them?? Someone called Mick allowed it , Rat Pack vs others........Rats didnt want Pendlebury captain either, Pendles being a Buckley clone and professional nerd.....hence Rats were moved on.. Scarlett was head of one group at Geelong and had a lot to say when he was a player, often against other players......players like Chapman and StevieJ hated each other and were in the opposite camps...Harley was under-rated as a captain dealing with all those ego's...you can see why the Swans wanted him, a very good people manager. All clubs have factions...I am presuming.......Nth had Carey and his crew vs the rest, Carey and his lot ran the club and treated the rest like dog crape but as long as they were winning Denis said fine..... Re: Cripps on the couch - kruddler - 05-17-2018 (05-17-2018, 11:32 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Someone called Mick allowed it , Rat Pack vs others........Rats didnt want Pendlebury captain either, Pendles being a Buckley clone and professional nerd.....hence Rats were moved on.. re Collingwood. Tony Shaw appointed Buckley as captain before Mick got there. Buckley was the divisive factor of the club and caused the factions. Micks was to fix that was to pick a captain who could bring them together. Point i was making was that picking the WRONG captain (Buckley) can CAUSE factions to form. Despite being the best player at the club and setting a good example on how to train, and perform on match day...he lacked the leadership to bring the group together. Nick Maxwell was the opposite to Buckley. Could Cripps be our Buckley? I'm not sure. Doc seems less likely to be. Re: Cripps on the couch - flyboy77 - 05-17-2018 Anyone known as FIGJAM is never going to be a good Captain. Re: Cripps on the couch - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-17-2018 (05-17-2018, 11:58 AM)kruddler link Wrote:re Collingwood. Tony Shaw appointed Buckley as captain before Mick got there. Buckley was the divisive factor of the club and caused the factions. Micks was to fix that was to pick a captain who could bring them together. Rat Pack were let run loose by Mick...players like Tarrant wouldnt even talk to younger players, they were intimidated and belittled......Maxwell did a great job often having affected young players staying with him at his house. re: Buckley.....his delivery was akin to B.Goddard........Rat Packers got away with stuff big time, players like Ben Johnson often didnt do scheduled weight sessions, he got away with it because his mates were the star players of the club...Mick allowed it and Maxwell did the cleaning up with other players who saw the double standards. The other player who Mick used to placate the groups was Luke Ball who came into the club and was a opposite of Swan, Didak, Shaw etc etc but still managed to get on with everyone and had the respect of every player. I dont know how the players view Cripps, Docherty...or what factions exist, who is the more professional role model on and off the ground but I am presuming we dont need a neutral captain..... |