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Re: Another School Shooting in the US - Lods - 02-23-2018
Just a personal opinion with no real figures to back it up but....
I don't know whether there are any figures for "gun ownership by profession in the USA" floating around but I would hazard a guess that "teachers" would figure at the lower end of any such chart.
In terms of gun control advocates they would probably figure prominently and most would vote or favour Democrat candidates.
They wouldn't want guns.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - LP - 02-23-2018
(02-23-2018, 12:59 AM)Lods link Wrote:Just a personal opinion with no real figures to back it up but....
I don't know whether there are any figures for "gun ownership by profession in the USA" floating around but I would hazard a guess that "teachers" would figure at the lower end of any such chart.
In terms of gun control advocates they would probably figure prominently and most would vote or favour Democrat candidates.
They wouldn't want guns.
The NRA logic is so flawed. Giving School Teachers guns should work well until a crazed teacher shoots all the kids dead on a hateful Monday!
They think people doing the shootings are "The Bad People" that can be identified and weeded out of gun ownership by some multiple choice questions. Most of the shooters though are just Joe Average who lost their crap for some otherwise unknown reason.
The FBI and NSA can find the real crazy people so easily, most of them are on the TV or speaking at NRA rallies! But they are not the ones doing the shooting.
I'm not anti-gun, in fact in years gone by I was a sporting shooter which I gave up when I had kids. Kids and guns in the house do not mix. But there is no natural need or right that states people need assault rifles or concealable semi-automatic pistols.
The rights the NRA refer to are not God given, they are man made! When an NRA nutter stands up and states it's his God given right to own a weapon, he's technically blaspheming!
America is quickly becoming the worlds most powerful moron! They've got the bomb, as the keep reminding us, but even that they got it with the help of a bunch of communist double agents! ;D
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - Jack Burton - 02-23-2018
I really hope these kids that are making a lot of noise at the moment get some traction and enact change, but I am very doubtful, they are trying to change a culture that is so ingrained. I lived in Phoenix Arizona for a couple of years in the late 90's, real cowboy country. I still shudder recalling a news story I saw when I was there about the leading causes of death in children under 5 years old. Number 1 was drowning. Now Phoenix is in a desert, seriously hot and dry, so everyone, and I mean everyone, has a pool. Pool fences were encouraged, but you did not have to have one by law. Most apartment complexes, like the one we lived in, had a fenced pool (because the owners didn't want to get sued), but I went to a number of private houses where the pools were beautifully landscaped, but no fence. Second leading cause of death was gun shot wound. Almost always it was a sibling or playmate, in the family home, found a handgun in a draw, playing cowboys and Indians, shot their mate/brother/sister dead. This was glossed over in the news story, which went on to focus on how fantastic the USA is, how great their health care system is, in a lot of the rest of the world the leading cause of death in children under 5 is diarrhoea, or malnutrition, or malaria, but the USA is so great that these things don't happen in Arizona. It still makes me cringe
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - PaulP - 02-23-2018
In too many ways, America is as extreme and fundamentalist as the countries they claim as their enemies.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - PaulP - 02-23-2018
(02-23-2018, 12:59 AM)Lods link Wrote:Just a personal opinion with no real figures to back it up but....
I don't know whether there are any figures for "gun ownership by profession in the USA" floating around but I would hazard a guess that "teachers" would figure at the lower end of any such chart.
In terms of gun control advocates they would probably figure prominently and most would vote or favour Democrat candidates.
They wouldn't want guns.
Looks like you're right lods.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/teachers-demand-trump-arm-them-with-education-resources-not-guns-20180223-p4z1gl.html
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - Baggers - 02-23-2018
(02-23-2018, 08:12 AM)PaulP link Wrote:In too many ways, America is as extreme and fundamentalist as the countries they claim as their enemies.
So spot on, Durante Koala. I recall when I visited the US some time ago that I was in a country of extremes. The best and worst of human nature was on show. The fundamentalism/fanaticism/patriotism is right up there with any other such nation. Yet friends over there and friends of friends offered me every generosity you could imagine.
I recall a Yank friend (who is on the international talk 'circuit') informing me, when I pointed out this paradox, that the US was settled by religious zealots and much of that fundamentalist extremism still remains - as evidenced, in just one example, by their deep reverence for authority - do and believe whatever 'the man' tells you. He also pointed out that Aust was settled, predominantly, by convicts (minor offenders in the main) hence our deep suspicion of authority! I might point out that of all the countries in the world he visits, we're his favourite by a long shot.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - cookie2 - 02-24-2018
(02-23-2018, 11:16 PM)Baggers link Wrote:So spot on, Durante Koala. I recall when I visited the US some time ago that I was in a country of extremes. The best and worst of human nature was on show. The fundamentalism/fanaticism/patriotism is right up there with any other such nation. Yet friends over there and friends of friends offered me every generosity you could imagine.
I recall a Yank friend (who is on the international talk 'circuit') informing me, when I pointed out this paradox, that the US was settled by religious zealots and much of that fundamentalist extremism still remains - as evidenced, in just one example, by their deep reverence for authority - do and believe whatever 'the man' tells you. He also pointed out that Aust was settled, predominantly, by convicts (minor offenders in the main) hence our deep suspicion of authority! I might point out that of all the countries in the world he visits, we're his favourite by a long shot.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/865936.Deer_Hunting_with_Jesus
Baggers have a read of this if you have the time and inclination. A confronting study and account of some aspects of life in the declining American Empire. Quite confronting in parts.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - Baggers - 02-25-2018
(02-24-2018, 02:05 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/865936.Deer_Hunting_with_Jesus
Baggers have a read of this if you have the time and inclination. A confronting study and account of some aspects of life in the declining American Empire. Quite confronting in parts.
Thank you, Fluffy One, I will. Read the shpeel and it sounds like a good read.
Don't you love the paradox of loving Jesus and guns! Who was the Native American who famously said, 'The white man came with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other!' A nation of contradictions... and in slow decline, along with strong denial.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - maxm68 - 02-25-2018
this bloke make a few good points....
https://www.facebook.com/AustralianDemocraticSocialists/videos/1416826235100174/?id=100009384607591
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - madbluboy - 02-26-2018
People will start arming themselves here with all the crime we have had in the last couple of years.