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Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - hotspur - 05-28-2017
I have reservations for getting Sache on big money ,what has he shown,I would rather spend the money on a PATTON,LYNCH,CAMERON,WRIGHT ,LOBBE
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - crashlander - 05-29-2017
(05-28-2017, 11:40 PM)Pratty link Wrote:I'll wait to see how things pan out a little more b4 making a call on Schache. I am interested. I'm a little unsure on his toughness and resilience just yet!I was a fan of Schache at U18 level. He was level headed and talented. But, like Pratty, I have yet to be convinced about how mentally tough he is. I would certainly be looking at him closely, but I think the asking price is questionable.
The other reason I would be leery of is that we already have a 200+ cm mobile forward coming through. H (Harry McKay) SHOULD be a little behind Schache in his development, as he is younger and had much time out with injury (McKay was the equal youngest player in the AFL last year with his twin.). However, on form you would be hard to justify that.
So, I wouldn't utter a blanket 'No', but I would be questioning more than a llittle before diving in with wads of cash.
When you get down to it, a LOT of talented players leave Brisbane after a short while and play a LOT better. Sam Docherty springs to mind easily. Schache could well do the same if his heart was in it.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - crashlander - 05-29-2017
(05-28-2017, 11:58 PM)hotspur link Wrote:I have reservations for getting Sache on big money ,what has he shown,I would rather spend the money on a PATTON,LYNCH,CAMERON,WRIGHT ,LOBBEI can't see these guys leaving, but if they were to be looking.....
Lynch killed us earlier this year. I'm sure he would LOVE to play for a team on the rise in fact rather than just in name.
Jeremy Cameron would be a similar coup, if it came to that.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Thryleon - 05-29-2017
To be honest, players that have all the attention is where I would be steering clear from if I were the list manager. We need blokes that have ability and a point to prove rather than blokes who were taken early in the draft and are looking for a pay day.
We need young heads, but we need to maximise our chances of success here too in terms of a strategy that sees us tread water, whilst attracting some draft picks, and picking up a player which fills the hole.
So, keeping that in mind, the player we can most afford to lose, that has some market value, and might be attractive for sides:
Levi Casboult. With his tidy kicking this season and step up in the ruck, he is a free agent, and the compensation might yield good results in terms of a first/second rounder.
The player we should bring in to replace him?? I would be looking at Kurt Tippet as being a bloke who has had a poor few years, is in the twilight of his career, has had his pay day, and will be looking to elongate his career whilst having a point to prove and plenty of football left in the tank.
If we could somehow swing that deal, we would walk away from it at worst having broken even at the trade table and perhaps in an even better position at the draft than we are in at the moment. Obviously I wouldnt be pulling out all the stops for Tippett, but its a buy low, sell high scenario whilst breaking even. This is the blue print we trade with moving forward.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Professer E - 05-29-2017
Lobbe I pretty handy, genuine KP/ruck, and there actually aren't many of them out there.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - sandsmere - 05-29-2017
(05-28-2017, 11:12 PM)Pratty link Wrote:Why? Have you heard something????????????????????
Nothing official Pratty.
I have a good mate who lives in Sydney and is a member of GWS. He reckons they will have to let some
good regulars go because of salary cap problems .
And Trigger did say a few weeks ago that we were looking to sign a marquee player.
We sure need a good KPF.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Mav - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 12:03 AM)crashlander link Wrote:When you get down to it, a LOT of talented players leave Brisbane after a short while and play a LOT better. Sam Docherty springs to mind easily. Schache could well do the same if his heart was in it.IIRC, Scache was actually keen to go to Brisbane as his father had played there. He wasn't in the Headland category of being shanghaied to the opposite end of the country and counting the days until he could return.
Of course, Schache may have changed his mind once he got there - a case of "be careful what you wish for as your wish might come true".
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - PaulP - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 12:24 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:To be honest, players that have all the attention is where I would be steering clear from if I were the list manager. We need blokes that have ability and a point to prove rather than blokes who were taken early in the draft and are looking for a pay day.
We need young heads, but we need to maximise our chances of success here too in terms of a strategy that sees us tread water, whilst attracting some draft picks, and picking up a player which fills the hole.
So, keeping that in mind, the player we can most afford to lose, that has some market value, and might be attractive for sides:
Levi Casboult. With his tidy kicking this season and step up in the ruck, he is a free agent, and the compensation might yield good results in terms of a first/second rounder.
The player we should bring in to replace him?? I would be looking at Kurt Tippet as being a bloke who has had a poor few years, is in the twilight of his career, has had his pay day, and will be looking to elongate his career whilst having a point to prove and plenty of football left in the tank.
If we could somehow swing that deal, we would walk away from it at worst having broken even at the trade table and perhaps in an even better position at the draft than we are in at the moment. Obviously I wouldnt be pulling out all the stops for Tippett, but its a buy low, sell high scenario whilst breaking even. This is the blue print we trade with moving forward.
I would not be keen on what amounts to a swap of Cas for Tippett.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Mav - 05-29-2017
Let's also keep our perspective when it comes to list management. Our current build seems to be much better than our previous one in the noughties. We've prioritised talls and unlike the noughties we have a lot of promising prospects. In the noughties, we prioritised elite mids, traded away our only elite young KPP (JK) and hoped to find some tall talent outside the top 10 (and failed spectacularly).
But now 3 of our best mids are aging and we'll need replacements soon: Murphy, Gibbs and Simmo. We don't want to repeat the mistakes of the last rebuild by falling prey to an obsession to continually add to our strength while forgetting about our weakness.
We'll need to use our early picks/tradebait to go after elite mids, either in the draft or through trades. We'll have to pay over the odds to get Schache. Let's take the time to see if Charlie, Harry, JSOS and BSOS (Ben) and the Bolt can do the job first.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Navy Maven - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 01:29 AM)Mav link Wrote:Let's also keep our perspective when it comes to list management. Our current build seems to be much better than our previous one in the noughties. We've prioritised talls and unlike the noughties we have a lot of promising prospects. In the noughties, we prioritised elite mids, traded away our only elite young KPP (JK) and hoped to find some tall talent outside the top 10 (and failed spectacularly).
But now 3 of our best mids are aging and we'll need replacements soon: Murphy, Gibbs and Simmo. We don't want to repeat the mistakes of the last rebuild by falling prey to an obsession to continually add to our strength while forgetting about our weakness.
We'll need to use our early picks/tradebait to go after elite mids, either in the draft or through trades. We'll have to pay over the odds to get Schache. Let's take the time to see if Charlie, Harry, JSOS and BSOS (Ben) and the Bolt can do the job first.
Agreed. It's not the $$ amount that is a factor in someone like Schache. Honestly $700k a season won't seem that much after the new collective bargaining agreement goes through. It's what it would cost us in terms of draft picks.
We'll load up on quality mids this year.