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Re: Collins - PassIt2Carrots - 04-16-2016
It's not that he did something wrong or made a wrong choice lods, mistakes can be forgiven. But to manipulate the poor place the club was in at the time to better himself? Unforgivable, no matter what he'd done in the past.
Re: Collins - Gointocarlton - 04-16-2016
(04-15-2016, 11:36 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Fking bullshight, geez your ignorance and bias knows no bounds at times. You forgive these blokes but pay out on Carlton players that wanted to leave the club these blokes ruined with incompetence and ineptitude. Blokes that were forced out by tyrants these guys employed....but no, they are cleanskins in your eyes. Hard to take you seriously sometimes.*Its good to see you got the point of my post. :
*I mean that in the nicest possible way. ;D
Re: Collins - kruddler - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 02:03 AM)Lods link Wrote:Like most topics...too much "black and white" opinion.
Yep... You can make an argument for a poor performance as President, although we played the salary cap stuff in a morally correct manner.
When you do the wrong thing you take it on the chin. You don't delay, cloud the issue and run off to courts to win on technicalities.
I much prefer the Carlton approach to the Essendon one.
Our delay in improvement wasn't because of decisions made at the time of the cap penalties.
As for his previous efforts.
Very good player. (premiership player, hall of famer)
Outstanding (yep brilliant administator, secretary-manager (recruiter)
http://australian-rules-football.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Motley
- Kernahan, Bradley, Motley Dorotitch Williams.
-3 premierships under his watch
By all means criticise him for the things he's done wrong... but give it a little balance.
Our history may have been very different without the efforts of Ian Collins as CEO during the1980s
Is it time to point out that Collo was in fact in charge when some of the brown paper bags were organised and distributed?
After leaving Carlton he went to work for the AFL. To engratiate himself with the AFL and show no allegiance to his former club, he pointed the finger at us and pointed out that we cheating the cap. How did he know? He set it up!
In any event, the point about Collins is this.
When someone presents you with your jumper you are supposed to be humbled, thrilled and look up to the person and one day hopefully emulate what they have been able to achieve.
Do we expect the kids to be able to distinguish 'collo the player', from 'collo the administrator' or even president?
Its like telling the kids to look up to fev. Sure, on the field he was (usually) very good. However, off field he was not what you'd call a role model over his career.
Re: Collins - Baggers - 04-16-2016
I'd be interested to hear Collo's version one day of the conversations that transpired between he and Jackson/Evans/Demitriou back in 01/02. I seldom wish harm on anyone but I would not be sad to learn that Wayne Jackson has been inflicted with a massive infestation of air breathing piranha to his little nether region!
Re: Collins - cimm1979 - 04-16-2016
Collins sold us down the river and dressed it up as "saving the club" later.
Re: Collins - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-16-2016
I cant forgive Collins ether, shafted the club over the salary cap rort which he helped organise then did some nest feathering at our expense and we wind up at his new home at Etihad....
I'd be a bit embarrassed to be presenting jumpers after those achievements....I know some can forgive and move on and remember his other football achievements but
this is the club who gave him a start and helped him progress in the world.....likewise I have little time also for Mike Fitzpatrick and his admin career at the AFL , the old saying of when you lay with swine you end up smelling like a pig is so true when applied to Collins and Fitzpatrick...
Re: Collins - thrunthrublu - 04-16-2016
(04-15-2016, 11:29 PM)MosquitoFleet link Wrote:we were "forked" in your words by john elliott and his useless board and his NCA issues - he was cause of the collapse of carlton...not collo...
carlton must do more to thank collo as a great carlton man he was and still is...
i agree on Princes Park, as I never wanted to leave and want to return and develop PP to a 50K seater stadium, but on balance we had no choice, afl, media right games, ground rationalization - we were so insolvent, the home ground issue at the time was a secondary issue at the time- because of actions of mr john elliott...
again pratt was no where to be seen at this time...
Thats BS. When Pratt became president and was asked what took you so long, he answered simply " i was never asked"
with so many jewish people involved in the club, going to Pratt would unequivocally deem them as failures among their community.
They only went to pratt in an absolute crisis. If they went to him earlier, much earlier, things would have been different.
Pratts only condition becoming president was the unanimous support of the board, which he had.
Re: Collins - Juddkreuzer - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 12:22 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:By signing us up to the then Colonial Stadium, who just happened to need more clubs, who he just happened to be CEO of, on a super shight deal. No doubt there was a nice bonus waiting for him upon the signing of that contract. He saw his opportunity with the club on it's knees and Elliot in an extremely weak position and just like the ruthless player he was, he took it. Did nothing to help the club whilst in charge, but he did manage to publicly call the list 'z-grade' players which was a lot of help. Did not even bother showing up to his handover (great respect for the club there). He is dirt in my eyes and always will be. All you that saw him play think differently, you probably have a soft spot for him. You know, human nature and all that.
Well said Carrots. Couldn't agree more.
Re: Collins - LP - 04-16-2016
We are all posting about the same basic thing, it's called conflict of interest!
Re: Collins - Jofo - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 02:46 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Is it time to point out that Collo was in fact in charge when some of the brown paper bags were organised and distributed?
After leaving Carlton he went to work for the AFL. To engratiate himself with the AFL and show no allegiance to his former club, he pointed the finger at us and pointed out that we cheating the cap. How did he know? He set it up!
In any event, the point about Collins is this.
When someone presents you with your jumper you are supposed to be humbled, thrilled and look up to the person and one day hopefully emulate what they have been able to achieve.
Do we expect the kids to be able to distinguish 'collo the player', from 'collo the administrator' or even president?
Its like telling the kids to look up to fev. Sure, on the field he was (usually) very good. However, off field he was not what you'd call a role model over his career.
I don't know of any other 100 game number 19s who would be available to present the jumper. Eddie is otherwise occupied and (I think) John O'Connell passed away.