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Re: For Discussion - Blue Moon - 12-16-2015
This is definitely a glass half empty post. I think our mid-field is fine, barring injuries, Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps, Graham, Curnow, Thomas, Kerridge with plenty of others able to have a run through the middle. I also expect our rucks to be stronger, particularly if Kreuzer stays fit. I think our weaknesses are we do not have a power forward who commands the game, we do not have a key defender who we can put on opponents main man and we may be a bit slow across the ground. Hopefully with Bolton and the wholesale changes to our list, we may overcome our other main weakness which was the team didn't have a red hot go week in and week out. I always found in competitive sport that if you play to win you can be surprised by how often you actually do win. Maybe not the flag this year but I expect us to be a hell of a lot better this year than last.
Re: For Discussion - Baggers - 12-16-2015
(12-15-2015, 01:40 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Someone look at the Doggies' 2015 list and explain how the made the 8 - and almost won a final?
Is that list better than ours?
I think not.
Couldn't agree more. The reality is that our management, direction, culture, coaching and development have been a rabble or semi rabble for a long time. The only glimmer of hope was the brief Pratt/Ratten era, and even that was dragged down by poor recruiting and development.
The Dishlickers showed the footy world very clearly that a well drilled group will get the best out of themselves. No-one, but no-one picked the Dishlickers to have any impact this year. Like many, I am cautiously optimistic about how we will perform next year.
Re: For Discussion - flyboy77 - 12-16-2015
(12-16-2015, 01:48 AM)Blue Moon link Wrote:This is definitely a glass half empty post. I think our mid-field is fine, barring injuries, Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps, Graham, Curnow, Thomas, Kerridge with plenty of others able to have a run through the middle. I also expect our rucks to be stronger, particularly if Kreuzer stays fit. I think our weaknesses are we do not have a power forward who commands the game, we do not have a key defender who we can put on opponents main man and we may be a bit slow across the ground. Hopefully with Bolton and the wholesale changes to our list, we may overcome our other main weakness which was the team didn't have a red hot go week in and week out. I always found in competitive sport that if you play to win you can be surprised by how often you actually do win. Maybe not the flag this year but I expect us to be a hell of a lot better this year than last.
Yet the Doggies have no power forward yet two of theirs kicked over 50 goals.
Between the Bolt, Walks and Everitt - no reason they couldn't achieve the same aggregate. Don't be surprised to see Weitering played forward a bit too....
Re: For Discussion - ItsOurTime - 12-16-2015
(12-16-2015, 04:31 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Between the Bolt, Walks and Everitt - no reason they couldn't achieve the same aggregate. Don't be surprised to see Weitering played forward a bit too....
Aside from walker (who is past his best) there is nothing to base this upon other than hope.
We're in a tough situation and everybody has to look past results and pull in the same direction. When the entire world is against us and not much is going right on the field we need everyone fighting on the same side instead of with each other - as is our typical MO - as the Hawks did when they were in the lower rungs of the ladder.
Re: For Discussion - Raydan - 12-16-2015
(12-16-2015, 04:31 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Yet the Doggies have no power forward yet two of theirs kicked over 50 goals.
Disagree there, Stringer is a power forward. He might not be 195cms, but he monsters opponents his height and beats stronger defenders on the lead. With the Dogs kicking skills and their speed, Stringer is in the box seat when they get a stride or two clear.
Do I hope we climb the ladder? Part of me says yes, the other says build slowly. The worst thing that Pagan did was get us up the ladder before we had talent. This means we got Jordan Russell instead of a Delideo, Roughead, Franklin or Griffin.
We need a talent base which takes time at the bottom, trading away aged talent for low picks. I would be happy if McCarthy didn't want to go back to Freo this season and we traded Casboult for pick 15ish win for both parties and the player. He can have a crack at a premiership and we get another under 20 pick.
Re: For Discussion - cookie2 - 12-16-2015
The Dogs also have Crameri (for the time being anyway) and Dickson who are both handy and strong goal kicking types.
Re: For Discussion - laj - 12-16-2015
(12-16-2015, 05:28 AM)ItsOurTime link Wrote:Aside from walker (who is past his best) there is nothing to base this upon other than hope.
We're in a tough situation and everybody has to look past results and pull in the same direction. When the entire world is against us and not much is going right on the field we need everyone fighting on the same side instead of with each other - as is our typical MO - as the Hawks did when they were in the lower rungs of the ladder.
It's one thing that did go ok last year. Everitt, Casboult, and Walker very late in the year, did hit the scoreboard regular despite the most putrid delivery one could imagine in a side that barely had a crack. It's more than hope when they actually did it. Would've been interesting if we had a side that had a crack and moved the ball alot better into the F50.
Re: For Discussion - laj - 12-16-2015
(12-15-2015, 09:29 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Re the bold part. I disagree.
Silvagni will only get a game if we are dead last and tanking in the last couple of rounds. Otherwise, we'd be lucky to see him in 2017 i think. He hasn't even played footy for what 6 months?
The others may well get game time, but i'd suggest a lot later than you predict and only if injuries hit. Curnow is my tip to get gametime first. But i don't expect to see him before the halfway point.
The reason?
All the GWS/Adelaide boys we've got, together with the players we have coming back from injuries last year.
Players like Thomas, Byrne, Sheehan, Graham were all unavailable for most of the season.
I dunno, i'd go through 30-35 players before i got to any of our new recruits.
C.Curnow is a big, strong boy. If he has a good pre-season I reckon he could be straight in. Agree more with the rest. Cunningham, McKay 2nd half of the year, Cunningham first being a mid. McKay, like McCartin aat the Saints, will get the odd game to get the feel of AFL. SOSOS will need a year in the twos as he need physcial development.
Re: For Discussion - laj - 12-16-2015
(12-15-2015, 09:59 AM)jeza link Wrote:We've got the least AFL-proven players in the comp so we deserve every bit of our wooden spoon favoritism.
Injuries seem to be an ongoing factor for us unfortunately - Murphy shoulder not coming right already has to be a significant concern. Plowman hip operation. We've got a bit of a jinx going which sucks.
However... the biggest thing we have going for us is probably Bolton. If he can get it right his impact could be immediate and if we can somehow keep Kreuze/Cripps/Murph/Gibbs/Thomas injury free for the whole season we'll have a core to build around and be a lot more competitive.
At best 6 wins for me. At worst - lots of injuries and a total train wreck.
We'll win more than you think as, unlike last year, we will actually try!
Re: For Discussion - Gointocarlton - 12-16-2015
(12-16-2015, 07:26 AM)laj link Wrote:We'll win more than you think as, unlike last year, we will actually try!I was thinking about this today, we finished 18th this year but was that our "real" position? How much of that was where are at and how much of it was "manufactured" (many in the industry refer to it as tanking, just as many will tell you tanking doesn't exist)?