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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-21-2021

(07-21-2021, 12:09 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:As Thry suggested it's not the panacea that governments are making it out to be and life won't be going back to normal anytime soon.
Who in the official sphere told you it would return to as-was normal?

The officials talk about getting through it, they talk about resuming some semblance of normality, but they don't talk about things going back to the way it was. They do however mention the only chance of that happening is through vaccination, is that deliberately ambiguous or just a foible of language and comprehension.

The only people I can find making such a claim, that things can go back to as-was, are those promoting a throw in the towel position to let it run free. I presume they will be the same people screaming for doctors and scientists to help them as they or a family member is wheeled into the ICU, or suing hospitals because they didn't save a family member, or begging governments for disability compensation and assistance.

Bizarrely I gather none of us involved in this debate will be shocked if and when that happens to be a Karen, lifetime COVID Pension anyone?

If Thry wants to worry about hospitals filling up, it seems strange to want to exclude a discussion about vaccine hesitancy and the fake news circulated that promotes that vaccine hesitancy. To me that is the key issue, not just some ancillary issue. I gather from the other responses it's not just me that thinks that, but apparently those like minded individuals must also be mindless drones being herded like sheep by the "experts" who have concealed the true reality from us, a reality only discovered by the enlightened users of Instagram and FaceBook! :Smile

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-21-2021

This isn't about vaccine hesitancy, or what vaccine is better etc. This is the end game, numbers in hospitals from countries who are well advanced in their programs and close to the levels where experts say we need to be to stop lockdowns. My question is could you safely open up our borders based on those results in England?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 07-21-2021

Boris made the wrong call .... again.  47,000 new cases yesterday and 100 deaths?  Bumbling  idiot.  Instead of concentrating on ridiculous zero emissions you tool, control the current crisis.   






Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 07-21-2021

(07-21-2021, 12:32 AM)LP link Wrote:Who in the official sphere told you it would return to as-was normal?

The officials talk about getting through it, they talk about resuming some semblance of normality, but they don't talk about things going back to the way it was. They do however mention the only chance of that happening is through vaccination, is that deliberately ambiguous or just a foible of language and comprehension.

The only people I can find making such a claim, that things can go back to as-was, are those promoting a throw in the towel position to let it run free. I presume they will be the same people screaming for doctors and scientists to help them as they or a family member is wheeled into the ICU, or suing hospitals because they didn't save a family member, or begging governments for disability compensation and assistance.

Bizarrely I gather none of us involved in this debate will be shocked if and when that happens to be a Karen, lifetime COVID Pension anyone?

If Thry wants to worry about hospitals filling up, it seems strange to want to exclude a discussion about vaccine hesitancy and the fake news circulated that promotes that vaccine hesitancy. To me that is the key issue, not just some ancillary issue. I gather from the other responses it's not just me that thinks that, but apparently those like minded individuals must also be mindless drones being herded like sheep by the "experts" who have concealed the true reality from us, a reality only discovered by the enlightened users of Instagram and FaceBook! :Smile

You really only see things one way dont you?

The hospitals are as important (if not more important) to focus on for some of us.

Why?  Well, some of us actually work in them for one thing, and for another, once COVID hits the hospitals ability to actually serve and protect ALL patients (irrespective of what is wrong with them) is going to come under some serious pressure in a way we have yet to really experience through this pandemic.

My underlying point, is with or without a successful vaccination program, the worst of this is ahead of us, and this means that people have time to prepare themselves for that eventually when it occurs, because right now, I see a lot of head in sand reactions from people, including those that thumb their nose at the pandemic and are travelling about because they are vacccinated. 

Lets not forget, there is still the capability for this thing to evolve again, and for our vaccination to be as useful as drying your hair in the shower. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-21-2021

(07-21-2021, 12:57 AM)capcom link Wrote:Boris made the wrong call .... again.  47,000 new cases yesterday and 100 deaths?  Bumbling  idiot.  Instead of concentrating on ridiculous zero emissions you tool, control the current crisis.   
My cousins in England first thoughts after the lockdown was lifted was to head straight to the pub and make up for lost drinking time.
Its like the Pandemic never existed, Boris is a nuffy but he doesn't have much to work with in terms of brain cell numbers with the population.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-21-2021

(07-21-2021, 12:57 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Lets not forget, there is still the capability for this thing to evolve again, and for our vaccination to be as useful as drying your hair in the shower.
I agree entirely, and the chance of that happening greatly increases when less people are vaccinated.

This pandemic is not just about Delta, the current growing global outbreak will almost certainly be an aggregation of the original strain, the Alpha strain and the Delta strain, and the next deadly strain if one appears. None have died off, disappeared or evaporated as The Donald proselytised to the nutter hoards.

There are two very dangerous concepts in this debate, one is alluded to by Elwood discussing the behaviour of his UK relatives on Freedom Day, the other is that extinction is both a plan and a possibility. Both concepts promote complacency on a massive social scale, we will bid our time and then be set free!

The thought that the vaccinations aren't perfect should not be indirectly or incidentally inferring the idea of doing nothing while waiting for something better to come along, not acting is very dangerous and not incidental. Doing nothing is not the safe option.

As much resource should be piled into hospitals as is being piled on vaccine production, but unfortunately the historical evidence suggests that won't happen. The talisman of this current pandemic have been warning authorities since the 1990s, and have been ignored. The lockdowns, the restrictions, the vaccinations are a consequence of ignoring those warnings. Historically it is the political equivalent of waiting for your car to breakdown before you do a service.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 07-21-2021

110 new locally acquired cases to 10pm last night in NSW. Gladys is doing a great job at maintaining the rate of around 700 new locally acquired cases per week. An applaudable consistency.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 07-21-2021

What you say is right, Thryleon, but this just illustrates the dilemma when it comes to persuading the public to vaccinate.

If we treat vaccinated and unvaccinated people as the same, many people will think there’s no benefit to being vaccinated. Of course, the benefit is avoiding infection or reducing its severity but some people think they’re bulletproof anyway. If they can see that they’ll be able to travel more freely, for instance, then they’ll do it even if they don’t think they’re at risk. That’s a better carrot than lotteries or free beer. Well, maybe not better than free beer ...

Then we have the issue of the efficacy of the vaccine. Yes, there’s a risk of the vaccinated being overconfident, but there’s much more risk of the unvaccinated losing interest in the vaccine if its benefits aren’t clear. Anti-vaxxers would love to undermine confidence in vaccines by saying some vaccinated people die of Covid and implying there’s no benefit in being vaccinated. It would be a disaster if public health authorities in the face of such an anti-vaxxer campaign agreed that vaccination might not protect people.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 07-21-2021

Are there any anti vaxxers here?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-21-2021

22 new cases in Melbourne.
The Foo Fighters have just performed a concert and insisted on entry to Vaccinated fans only...Dave Grohl copping some flak from a few other muso's for discriminating against the non vaccinated. I guess thats his right though if he considers he is protecting his band, crew and fan base.