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Re: Reset Rants - Lods - 05-11-2018
Once you sack them you lose the right to say how things would have turned out.
How would a Pagan side with Judd, a young Kreuzer and a maturing Gibbs and Murphy have fared.
A Ratten side with Cripps and Docherty
Malthouse with the current list ???
You cant say.
We'll never know (but I think some folk might have a guess ;D )
Re: Reset Rants - Gointocarlton - 05-11-2018
(05-11-2018, 10:48 PM)Lods link Wrote:Once you sack them you lose the right to say how things would have turned out.I'd take your thoughts a little further and say:
How would a Pagan side with Judd, a young Kreuzer and a maturing Gibbs and Murphy have fared.
A Ratten side with Cripps and Docherty
Malthouse with the current list ???
You cant say.
We'll never know (but I think some folk might have a guess ;D )
How would a Pagan side with Judd, a young Kreuzer, a maturing Gibbs, Murphy and a decent list manager (eg SOS) have fared.
A Ratten side with Cripps, Docherty and a decent list manager (eg SOS)
Malthouse with the current list and a decent list manager (eg SOS) ???
Its been a bug bear of mine for years and years. Finally, we seem to have someone with at least a half a brain in charge of that area.
Re: Reset Rants - Thryleon - 05-12-2018
(05-11-2018, 10:48 PM)Lods link Wrote:Once you sack them you lose the right to say how things would have turned out.
How would a Pagan side with Judd, a young Kreuzer and a maturing Gibbs and Murphy have fared.
A Ratten side with Cripps and Docherty
Malthouse with the current list ???
You cant say.
We'll never know (but I think some folk might have a guess ;D )
Not disagreeing Lods but the club has a little more to go on when they make their decisions wouldn't you say?
Re: Reset Rants - laj - 05-12-2018
(05-11-2018, 10:48 PM)Lods link Wrote:Once you sack them you lose the right to say how things would have turned out.
How would a Pagan side with Judd, a young Kreuzer and a maturing Gibbs and Murphy have fared.
A Ratten side with Cripps and Docherty
Malthouse with the current list ???
You cant say.
We'll never know (but I think some folk might have a guess ;D )
I'm going to take an very educated guess and I reckon, like most of us too, I'd be right.
Pagan would've still been on the bottom, Ratten needed SOS with him, not Wayne Hughes, as that could've changed heaps. Malthouse would've been more than useful with this list 10 years previous, alot more, but at the end he was past it and the players weren't playing for him.
Re: Reset Rants - Lods - 05-12-2018
(05-12-2018, 10:10 AM)laj link Wrote:I'm going to take an very educated guess and I reckon, like most of us too, I'd be right.
Pagan would've still been on the bottom, Ratten needed SOS with him, not Wayne Hughes, as that could've changed heaps. Malthouse would've been more than useful with this list 10 years previous, alot more, but at the end he was past it and the players weren't playing for him.
Yep
But yoú'll never know ...will you?
Re: Reset Rants - laj - 05-12-2018
(05-12-2018, 10:24 AM)Lods link Wrote:Yep
But yoú'll never know ...will you?
Let's just say i'm glad a couple of them didn't hang around to find out..lol.
Re: Reset Rants - Lods - 05-12-2018
(05-12-2018, 11:06 AM)laj link Wrote:Let's just say i'm glad a couple of them didn't hang around to find out..lol.
Fair enough ;D
Re: Reset Rants - Blue Moon - 05-19-2018
I have been going thru the lists of all the clubs as I have been trying to get a handle on where we are in regards to the rebuild. I have broken all the players into three categories based on their year of birth: these being 97-99; 90-96; & 89 and earlier. Originally I was going to concentrate on the main list with the Rookies being an adjunct, but Geelong & Port Adelaide do not appear to have Rookies as such so I have lumped everybody in together. I have also had a look at the make up of the 97-99 group looking at how many top 30 players out of the draft as well as how many top 10. At what number you are drafted is a bit like birth weight and your Tertiary Enter Score, interesting at the time but not that relevant overall in your career. Logic tells us that the more early pick you have the most likely it is a club should have a good list into the future.
Team: Top 10 Top 30 97-99 90-96 89+
Adelaide: (0) (4) 12 23 9
Brisbane: (2) (9) 15 25 5
Carlton: (5) (10) 19 17 9
Collingwood: (1) (2) 12 25 8
Essendon: (3) (5) 13 29 6
Fremantle: (3) (4) 14 24 6
Geelong: (0) (3) 13 25 7
Gold Coast: (5) (7) 18 22 5
GWS: (3) (9) 12 26 6
Hawthorn: (0) (2) 14 21 10
Melbourne: (2) (3) 9 30 5
North Melb: (1) (4) 16 24 5
Richmond: (0) (6) 13 26 6
Port Adelaide: (0) (2) 14 26 5
St.Kilda: (2) (4) 11 30 4
Sydney: (1) (4) 14 24 8
West Coast: (2) (5) 16 22 7
West Bulldogs
0) (7) 13 26 5What strikes me about the breakdown is how far out of kilter our list is compared to others, particular with that mid aged range group. Also in that mid range, I would think that players like O'Shea, Mullet, Graham & Shaw would be at the bottom end of our list. With our younger players, eight will move out of that group next year and seven the following, with only four or five younger aged people a year coming into the club over the next couple of years, I would expect that group to settle closer to the mean. We are also above average on older age range. Over the next three years we have three players moving into age group, Casboult, Jones & Lamb, so to get in balance of thiose three and the nine on the list, five or six would have to go.
Of the other teams, I would suggest that Essendon, Melbourne & St.Kilda are all in, so if their current plan doesn't work, they could be in trouble in the next couple of years, while Adelaide, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Geelong & Port Adelaide don't appear to have a lot coming through.
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - Thryleon - 05-22-2018
The difference is that we have a future now. Back then we had stuff all under 21 talent and our mature agers weren't giving us much.
Even if we recruit poorly from here in about 50 games we should improve significantly simply with what we have.
When mick was fired that wasn't the case.
Re: Re: Goaltracker 2018 - Jack Burton - 05-22-2018
You presume we keep all of the young talent we have. Going to be a challenge