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General Discussions - Printable Version +- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com) +-- Forum: Social Club (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-6.html) +--- Forum: Blah-Blah Bar (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-23.html) +--- Thread: General Discussions (/thread-4803.html) Pages:
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Re: General Discussions - LP - 06-09-2021 (06-09-2021, 01:11 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:As for my trust in bitcoin, I have none, I am/have purchasing/purchased none, and quantum computing, will render it worthless, because what takes years to create on the blockchain, will take minutes to solve on a quantum computer.I remember just a year or two back Google claiming it's handful of qubits quantum computer had just solved a problem that would take a supercomputer hundreds of thousands of years to solve, then IBM fired back by demonstrating the very next day it's silicon based supercomputer solving the same problem in 18 minutes. Google hadn't done the math correctly, they forgot math is analogue and computers are digital, even quantum computers! All of these systems depend on the base infrastructure, and they assume the systems are secure from that very first step. But as the Comancheros discovered yesterday with their encrypted communications app, assumption is the mother of all feck ups! Blockchain as a distributed ledger is a revolution, it'll become the backbone of many data base services to deliver reliability and traceability, but thinking it is infallible is a human failing. As for quantum computers, the ability to break encryption is theoretical, recent work suggests that designing those algorithms for a Quantum computer is many orders of magnitude harder than people think. Sure once you've got the reliable algorithm you have an advantage, but getting it might not be so easy. Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 06-10-2021 https://theconversation.com/liberals-dan-andrews-questions-are-a-perfect-case-study-in-how-to-manufacture-fake-news-162511 Re: General Discussions - Thryleon - 06-10-2021 (06-09-2021, 01:17 AM)LP link Wrote:I remember just a year or two back Google claiming it's handful of qubits quantum computer had just solved a problem that would take a supercomputer hundreds of thousands of years to solve, then IBM fired back by demonstrating the very next day it's silicon based supercomputer solving the same problem in 18 minutes. Google hadn't done the math correctly, they forgot math is analogue and computers are digital, even quantum computers! Most hacking is done by simple means. People surrender information because they have to. Its not about code breaking per se. Most people are extremely naieve. You have to login to retrieve your bitcoin. THAT'S the key to being a hacker. You get that information by stockpiling information about people. Quantum computing is revolutionary because of the speed in which its able to do things vs whats available now and all computing fundamentals are math based. Re: General Discussions - LP - 06-11-2021 (06-10-2021, 11:40 PM)Thryleon date Wrote:Most hacking is done by simple means.The method is somewhat irrelevant, the easy way or the hard way, the reality is the US Feds broke criminal bitcoin accounts either by deception or technological brute force and withdrew funds, they've done it once so they'll can do it again. And the Anom App crushing the Comancheros is yet another example, techno deception or not, and that is technology more than 3 years old, they had been doing it for that long assembling the evidence! Personally, I don't see this as any different to the way a Stingray works for a call interception on the cellular network, they are just a deception run by the state, the assertion is Bitcoin has suffered much the same. Judging by the market reaction, I suspect many investors agree, they do not know how long ago it was broken. The suggestion of a whistle-blower might just be the authorities covering their tracks in much the same way the British let the Germans think the prevention/failure of German operations was from conventional intelligence and not Bletchley Park breaking Enigma. The problem for Bitcoin or other Crypto Currency users is how do they know, because trust is broken? Personally, I don't understand how you are not sensitive to this, yet think a lockdown to save lives in a pandemic is a risk to civil liberties and freedoms. It seems at best arbitrary if you want the expertise of cryptographers and IT specialist accepted without question, yet questions health professionals. Many would see this interception of Bitcoin as a threat to freedoms and liberties, Bitcoin and other Cryptocurrencies were of course created for this very reason, to free the public from the tyranny of the financial system. Apple might even market encryption and blockchain that very way! Re: General Discussions - Thryleon - 06-11-2021 (06-11-2021, 12:55 AM)LP link Wrote:The method is somewhat irrelevant, the easy way or the hard way, the reality is the US Feds broke criminal bitcoin accounts either by deception or technological brute force and withdrew funds, they've done it once so they'll can do it again. And the Anom App crushing the Comancheros is yet another example, techno deception or not, and that is technology more than 3 years old, they had been doing it for that long assembling the evidence! Actually, the bolded statements of what we are talking about is the major relevance. HOW is the single most important thing when it comes to cyber security. Ill give you a clue. Look up 0 hour cyber attacks and what they take advantage of. The rest of your post, is philosophy, tied up in jargon dressed with a little bit of sarcasm. The pandemic risk to civil liberties and freedom is not quite relevant. The response, very extremely risk averse and not commensurate to the risk profile. Online Cybersecurity is different. State sponsored hackers are not the only type. LP, I appreciate that google can teach you a lot in a very short period of time, but expertise in any one of these facets is not found on google. The online world is much easier to hack than anyone understands. THIS is the premise behind cyber security. As a test case, have a look at your password for this very forum. How secure would you guess it would be? If someone knew you quite intimately, would they be able to crack it easily enough? Combine that with the resources of the FBI, NSA or CIA, and then add in a quantum computer for good measure. The weakest link is the human. It always has been, and always will be. 2001 a space odyssey tells that story well enough. Re: General Discussions - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-11-2021 (07-22-2020, 11:53 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:He's a good man Ross Lyon, often misjudged I reckon. Is young Zac still with the Blues?Lyon is a good coach at working out what game plan suits what he has on the list. Dawson was a spud of a player imo but I don't know anything about his off field abilities. Lyon might suit us given we have no idea what we are doing, but it won't be pretty to watch.. Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 06-11-2021 (06-11-2021, 01:44 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Lyon is a good coach at working out what game plan suits what he has on the list.Amazing my post of nearly 12 months ago is relevant today. Re: General Discussions - Mav - 06-11-2021 It’ll save me a lot of time if Lyon takes over at Carlton. Rather than watching the game, I’ll just check the final score. And then if we’ve won 31-30, I’ll let out a little “Yippee!” Re: General Discussions - LP - 06-11-2021 (06-11-2021, 03:21 AM)Mav date Wrote:It’ll save me a lot of time if Lyon takes over at Carlton. Rather than watching the game, I’ll just check the final score. And then if we’ve won 31-30, I’ll let out a little “Yippee!”Yes, I'm afraid I'll be the same, the garden will be looking good! Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 06-11-2021 I reckon I'd be happy with boring footy that takes us to the GF, rather than what we have now. I'm 50/50 on Lyon. I learn things from him sometimes, but he can be pretty sarcastic, and he has occasional turns of phrase (Lyon-speak), where I'm not really sure what he's trying to say. Please CFC, stick with one coach and minimal list changes for a few years, and see what happens. I haven't checked, but I'd bet that was the state of play during the Ratten years (one coach, similar list). |