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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 07-13-2021

I'm yet to hear about a 2nd jab being a different vacc from the first.  Wonder what the implications of that might be. Some suggest it's quite effective.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-13-2021

(07-13-2021, 02:55 AM)Mav link Wrote:So. it looks like EB believes we should maintain the elimination strategy forever with periodic lockdowns, masks, density limits and the like. Otherwise he wouldn't be citing death statistics that pertain to that strategy. If we decided to release the Kraken and decided to live with Covid in the community, we wouldn't be talking about a handful of deaths: we'd be talking about hundreds or thousands.

I want to see the end of the elimination strategy but we can only do that ethically when we have 60% or more vaccinated. The botched vaccination rollout is holding us all hostage. 
My preference is no elimination strategy either with safe vaccines on the proviso we are not needlessly eliminating the public in the process.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 07-13-2021

This is an argument that is muddled and not really conducted on meaningful grounds. You can be quite certain that there will be deaths associated with Pfizer (there probably already are) and with any future vaccines. This is beyond doubt. So do we ban all vaccines which cause a death ? If not, what is the tipping point between acceptable and unacceptable death rates ? 1 dead, 20 dead, 100 ? Is 1 life worth less than 100 ? Is that a fair or sensible way of looking at it ?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 07-13-2021

Maybe we should ban elective surgery - no surgery is completely safe. It’d knock heaps off the budget bottom line.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 07-13-2021

Covid killed a man in his 70s in NSW today. Deaths are a lagging indicator, occurring a couple of weeks after infection. As yesterday had 112 new cases, the chances are there will be more deaths in the next few weeks. Fingers crossed we beat the odds.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-13-2021

(07-13-2021, 04:14 AM)PaulP date Wrote:This is an argument that is muddled and not really conducted on meaningful grounds. You can be quite certain that there will be deaths associated with Pfizer (there probably already are) and with any future vaccines. This is beyond doubt. So do we ban all vaccines which cause a death ? If not, what is the tipping point between acceptable and unacceptable death rates ? 1 dead, 20 dead, 100 ? Is 1 life worth less than 100 ? Is that a fair or sensible way of looking at it ?
[member=64]PaulP[/member]‍ what would be the death rate of 6M needle stick injuries?

The hysteria is caused by the media's heavily biased reporting.

Further the deaths are not trivial or incidental as vaccine opponents like to try and make out, somewhat ironically given the heavy focus of those issuing vaccines is to save lives at all cost.

Those front line in the vaccination effort are running themselves into the ground trying to save the public from it's indifference and it's ignorance!

One wonders how quickly wars would evaporate if only over 50s could be conscripted, enlisted and sent off to battle with the officer class?

Don't vaccinate my little girl I can protect her, but God help you if she gets COVID because I'll bring hell upon you all for doing this to her! Wink

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 07-13-2021

Interesting comparison: the risk of dying from general anaesthetic seems to be somewhere between 4 and 33 per million. That risk doesn’t seem to scare anyone off surgery.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-13-2021

(07-13-2021, 05:02 AM)Mav date Wrote:Interesting comparison: the risk of dying from general anaesthetic seems to be somewhere between 4 and 33 per million. That risk doesn’t seem to scare anyone off surgery.
Nose job or bigger tits anyone, some expensive pearly whites?

Imagine that death rate if you include the implants, how many of those nurses who tell you the vaccine kills have some of those? :o

My GP wouldn't remove a mole in my hair line a few weeks back, because he thought it wasn't anything important to worry about and even seemingly trivial unnecessary surgery is apparently dangerous. He must have been thinking about risk vs benefit! Wink

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 07-13-2021

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/13/delta-surge-could-leave-hundreds-of-thousands-with-long-covid

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 07-13-2021

https://theconversation.com/no-we-cant-treat-covid-19-like-the-flu-we-have-to-consider-the-lasting-health-problems-it-causes-164072