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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-11-2021

(07-11-2021, 05:57 AM)PaulP date Wrote:There aren't any significant policy or leadership differences between NSW and Victoria. They both used hotels for quarantine, they both used private security firms to monitor those hotels. It could have gone t1ts up just as easily in NSW. Most of the Victorian deaths are still aged care related. Dan at the very least tried to be proactive, and get on the front foot to tackle it head on, rather than the wait-and-see approach in NSW.

At any rate, covid is far from over, and in the final analysis it could look very different to what it does now.
The NSW Health department have the learnings from the Vic outbreak and the treatment of Vic patients, so we would hope the outcomes are better, but given the reluctance to force restrictions, or the NSW Public reluctance to comply, it seems the beneficial outcome from that previous experience will be marginal at best. When you read the public commentary in NSW, they still are in denial, it's hard to believe.

Very early in the 1st outbreak, the UK Health Dept publicly stated the biggest problem would be long term compliance of the public, this was their experience from the various wars that imposed restrictions and constraints on the activities of the general public, people can be expected to comply for a few weeks or a couple of months, but after that complacency and wilful disobedience set in.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 07-11-2021

(07-11-2021, 12:58 AM)Baggers link Wrote:SloMo...
Love it! SloMo’s vaccine strollout (this isn’t a race, after all Smile )

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 07-11-2021

If you drill down further and further as you examine the spread of covid, you eventually reach the point where the lack of preparedness in most countries is a result of decades of neoliberal ideology.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 07-11-2021

(07-11-2021, 05:57 AM)PaulP link Wrote:There aren't any significant policy or leadership differences between NSW and Victoria. They both used hotels for quarantine, they both used private security firms to monitor those hotels. It could have gone t1ts up just as easily in NSW. Most of the Victorian deaths are still aged care related. Dan at the very least tried to be proactive, and get on the front foot to tackle it head on, rather than the wait-and-see approach in NSW.

At any rate, covid is far from over, and in the final analysis it could look very different to what it does now.
I thought NSW utilised Army personal during the first cruise ship outbreak that was offered as opposed to private security.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-11-2021

(07-11-2021, 06:19 AM)Mav date Wrote:Love it! SloMo’s vaccine strollout (this isn’t a race, after all Smile 
Too many politicians live by the mantra if you do nothing you can't be blamed for making a mistake, but this is one case where doing nothing is the biggest mistake of all!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-11-2021

(07-11-2021, 06:24 AM)PaulP date Wrote:If you drill down further and further as you examine the spread of covid, you eventually reach the point where the lack of preparedness in most countries is a result of decades of neoliberal ideology.
And in regard to far more issues than just the pandemic! ;D

Let the bastards be bastards, because bastards do not survive, except they may take a shizen load of the rest of us with them!

Small government should not be conflated with no government.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 07-11-2021

(07-11-2021, 06:24 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I thought NSW utilised Army personal during the first cruise ship outbreak that was offered as opposed to private security.

Not sure GTC. They probably mixed and matched, maybe the ADF didn't want to do it long term. I can't really remember.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 07-11-2021

(07-11-2021, 06:43 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Not sure GTC. They probably mixed and matched, maybe the ADF didn't want to do it long term. I can't really remember.
Im only going by recollection, I recall Andrews being criticised for refusing ADF assistance whilst the other states like NSW did accept.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 07-11-2021

(07-11-2021, 06:45 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Im only going by recollection, I recall Andrews being criticised for refusing ADF assistance whilst the other states like NSW did.

I'm not sure. The offical inquiry into the Victorian government covid response seemed to indicate a communication breakdown and a breakdown in the chain of command wrt to the ADF/no ADF debate. This is one of those things that is drawn along political lines, and i don't really want go there. It just ends up as a to and fro that goes nowhere.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - dodge - 07-11-2021

My son plays footy with a State MP's son, who said  the country wants & needs NSW to sort this out - offered no blame except to say NSW didn't have to learn some of the things that Vic did, which are now causing NSW problems. Also with some population vaccinated (particularly elderly) that will give some protection, so hopefully hospitalisation and death rates are reduced.