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Re: Ashes 2019 - LP - 09-13-2019
(09-12-2019, 11:49 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:3 - why was Starc dropped after performing well with bat & ball.....and his lefties offer much needed variation.
Picking Siddle must be a farewell teat gesture....can't think of any other reason!
Firstly, I think adjusted point 3 is correct.
Secondly, the Siddle selection assertion might be correct, it's a nothing game really and most of the Aussie squad would be flat from hangovers. So a farewell to The Ashes, given Siddle won't get a run in the Australian leg, probably!
Re: Ashes 2019 - JonHenry - 09-13-2019
(09-13-2019, 02:38 AM)LP link Wrote:Firstly, I think adjusted point 3 is correct.
Secondly, the Siddle selection assertion might be correct, it's a nothing game really and most of the Aussie squad would be flat from hangovers. So a farewell to The Ashes, given Siddle won't get a run in the Australian leg, probably!
What would constitute a "something" game?
One where we want to win it to ensure we win the series?
Re: Ashes 2019 - LP - 09-13-2019
(09-13-2019, 02:54 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:What would constitute a "something" game?
One where we want to win it to ensure we win the series?
We've won The Ashes, primarily that's all that matters, we can try to win the series as a bonus but it doesn't change The Ashes result.
Winning this test might be like winning a ODI series with a clean sweep, nice but not necessary! As I said earlier I would have used this test to give a bowler like Behrendorff or Lloyd Pope a taste of the big stage to see if they can step up. Especially, given the fragility and age of many of our current bowlers, getting experience into some youth or backup players is invaluable! Why the feck not give Carey a run, it's not like he doesn't deserve it? (I best recommend that to our coach! ;D )
Secondly, you have the opportunity to put Root to the sword if he finishes the series leading a team beaten by the backups!
By the way, I hope Warner takes a leaf out of Buttler's book, and hammers his way into some form rather than blocking his way to oblivion!
Re: Ashes 2019 - JonHenry - 09-13-2019
(09-13-2019, 02:59 AM)LP link Wrote:We've won The Ashes, primarily that's all that matters, we can try to win the series as a bonus but it doesn't change The Ashes result.
Winning this test might be like winning a ODI series with a clean sweep, nice but not necessary! As I said earlier I would have used this test to give a bowler like Behrendorff or Lloyd Pope a taste of the big stage to see if they can step up. Especially, given the fragility and age of many of our current bowlers, getting experience into some youth or backup players is invaluable! Why the feck not give Carey a run, it's not like he doesn't deserve it? (I best recommend that to our coach! ;D )
Secondly, you have the opportunity to put Root to the sword if he finishes the series leading a team beaten by the backups!
By the way, I hope Warner takes a leaf out of Buttler's book, and hammers his way into some form rather than blocking his way to oblivion!
I couldn't imagine anyone would be content retaining the ashes.
Winning the series has been mentioned plenty of times by Paine, Langer and many others.
Why go to all the effort to draw the series?
I don't think Steve Waugh would be in the dressing room saying well done boys, you can kick back now, we've retained the ashes
Re: Ashes 2019 - tonyo - 09-13-2019
(09-13-2019, 03:27 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:I couldn't imagine anyone would be content retaining the ashes.
Winning the series has been mentioned plenty of times by Paine, Langer and many others.
Why go to all the effort to draw the series?
I don't think Steve Waugh would be in the dressing room saying well done boys, you can kick back now, we've retained the ashes
I agree with the desire to win the series, but we already have a 2-1 lead.
If the Aussies bat well enough (and you have to think some of them are due), the best the Poms could hope for in this test is a draw - that makes it a 2-1 series win.
If we push too hard going for a win in this test, it may end up as a 2-2 series tie.
By all means, if we get a big first innings lead and the Poms are on their knees, then go for the kill. But if we push the accelerator too soon, it could go pear-shaped.
Re: Ashes 2019 - laj - 09-13-2019
(09-13-2019, 03:27 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:I couldn't imagine anyone would be content retaining the ashes.
Winning the series has been mentioned plenty of times by Paine, Langer and many others.
Why go to all the effort to draw the series?
I don't think Steve Waugh would be in the dressing room saying well done boys, you can kick back now, we've retained the ashes
Do see your point but in England I would've killed for a 2-2 before the series started. Much prefer if we get a 3-1, and pissed off that Paine has made that harder for us this Test by sending them in, but 2-2 is a good result.
The way they celebrated retaining the Ashes, Steve Waugh, who was there, might've joined in that celebration. They celebrated like there was no tomorrow. Wouldn't be surprised we weren't switched on yesterday because of that. We were very sloppy.
Re: Ashes 2019 - LP - 09-13-2019
It's pretty obvious a change in player attitude, some of the Poms have thrown caution to the wind while others look disinterested. Half our team were asleep in the field, it's just a show!
The bowlers will be hoping our batsmen makes 750 so they never have to take the field again!
It's a dead rubber, we should have used it for training or experience to build list depth!
Re: Ashes 2019 - tonyo - 09-13-2019
(09-13-2019, 06:17 AM)LP link Wrote:It's pretty obvious a change in player attitude, some of the Poms have thrown caution to the wind while others look disinterested. Half our team were asleep in the field, it's just a show!
The bowlers will be hoping our batsmen makes 750 so they never have to take the field again!
It's a dead rubber, we should have used it for training or experience to build list depth!
Make 750 then roll them for under 100 again to win the match.....
Re: Ashes 2019 - flyboy77 - 09-13-2019
Mitch Marsh hats off.
18.2 overs, 3 maidens, 5 for 46.
Nor for a Smith 300 (and a Warner duck)...
Re: Ashes 2019 - Professer E - 09-13-2019
Yep, Mitch pulled the potatoes from the fire.
Siddle needs to buy him a beer, and Warner can clean his kit, because he's a an absolute passenger. Contributing nothing.