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Re: If Not BB, Who? - PaulP - 04-16-2019
The strategy that was put in place with Bolton, SOS et al was for long term success. This was made very clear at the beginning. What was hidden from view (for obvious reasons) was that by extension, this meant short term pain. The strategy may succeed brilliantly, or it may be an epic fail. We simply don't know. We need to see it through. Stage 1, which is the 3 year rebuild, is now done. Stage 2 has to be allowed to play out first.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - JonHenry - 04-16-2019
(04-16-2019, 10:16 PM)LP link Wrote:None of them, that is none of them, did that by turning over 30% of their senior list each pre-season, that's the ignored fact!
There is zero historical predicents for what we have done, we cannot even use newbies like GWS or GC as an example because they had advantages in academies and lots of AFL help we didn't get!
Correct, we only have four number 1 picks, plus a pick 2, 2 x pick 3 and a pick 5, 2 x pick 10's and a pick 12.
Plus a guy called Cripps.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - LP - 04-16-2019
(04-16-2019, 10:20 PM)PaulP link Wrote:The strategy that was put in place with Bolton, SOS et al was for long term success. This was made very clear at the beginning. What was hidden from view (for obvious reasons) was that by extension, this meant short term pain. The strategy may succeed brilliantly, or it may be an epic fail. We simply don't know. We need to see it through. Stage 1, which is the 3 year rebuild, is now done. Stage 2 has to be allowed to play out first.Agreed.
We can post our various beliefs or doubts, but they do not make a good argument for changing direction!
(04-16-2019, 10:22 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:Correct, we only have four number 1 picks, plus a pick 2, 2 x pick 3 and a pick 5, 2 x pick 10's and a pick 12.So you think our young top end talent is the problem?
Plus a guy called Cripps.
Those other teams Laj refers to as precedents, all retained their core group of very senior and very experienced players, we have kept three or four! GWS actively recruits similar players because they knew they needed them in the mix to accelerate the progress of others, only recently have we been able to trade in McGovern and he's really not that experienced either yet he seems so on our list! Further to do that we had to let an experienced A-Grade AFL player go!
Re: If Not BB, Who? - PaulP - 04-16-2019
(04-16-2019, 10:14 PM)laj link Wrote:Absolute crap. That's just an excuse to reinforce your argument. Our side has always been better than that. Even if a side is really bad they do better than 3 from 36.
All sides that rebuild have big list changes. Sides like Richmond under Hardwick, Melbourne under Roos/Goodwin, were finals or close to it after 4 years. Dogs under McCartney, no good, under Beverige, premiers. A good coach gets the most out of their players. people said the same thing when Pagan coached us then within 2 years they played finals. Port played finals the year after they were hopeless under Primus. Swans were so bad they lost 22 games straight in the early 90s. Come Barassi, they went close to finals within two years then under Eade Grand Finalists the next year. So don't give me the crap that that no one would've done any better. Good coaches do make improvements out of any player. Same in any sport, which I can testify to first hand. No decent coach goes 3 from 36.
No Jim. It's not crap. Hardwick wasn't sacked, and neither was Buckely, even though many lunk heads thought they should be.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - JonHenry - 04-16-2019
(04-16-2019, 10:23 PM)LP link Wrote:Agreed.
We can post our various beliefs or doubts, but they do not make a good argument for changing direction!
So you think our young top end talent is the problem?
No, I think we have had plenty of draft picks.
We have not developed them well because they play a confused game plan.
There is one person responsible, and he should be held accountable.
If we wait another two years we will waste a whole generation of players and Cripps, Weitering and Walsh will move on looking for a decent coach at a decent club
Re: If Not BB, Who? - madbluboy - 04-16-2019
The list changes are not unprecedented.
Actually Malthouse chopped a heap of players in his short time with us and it wasn't allowed to be used as an excuse.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - JonHenry - 04-16-2019
(04-16-2019, 10:20 PM)PaulP link Wrote:The strategy that was put in place with Bolton, SOS et al was for long term success. This was made very clear at the beginning. What was hidden from view (for obvious reasons) was that by extension, this meant short term pain. The strategy may succeed brilliantly, or it may be an epic fail. We simply don't know. We need to see it through. Stage 1, which is the 3 year rebuild, is now done. Stage 2 has to be allowed to play out first.
I would have thought we should get the best coach available.
If they review Bolton's position and think he is not up to it, are you suggesting we should keep him, simply because we are in a rebuild?
Re: If Not BB, Who? - PaulP - 04-16-2019
(04-16-2019, 10:32 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:I would have thought we should get the best coach available.
If they review Bolton's position and think he is not up to it, are you suggesting we should keep him, simply because we are in a rebuild?
Sacking the coach now or this season is the soft option, weak as piss.
If they do have have a proper review, they will find Bolton is fine. Nothing surer.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - JonHenry - 04-16-2019
(04-16-2019, 10:37 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Sacking the coach now or this season is the soft option, weak as piss.
If they do have have a proper review, they will find Bolton is fine. Nothing surer.
Paul, that is a massive call.
How would you know that?
It is simply your opinion.
He is either the best person for the job or he isn't.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Gointocarlton - 04-16-2019
(04-16-2019, 10:32 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:I would have thought we should get the best coach available.Ol' mate Dick Pratt used to say "if they are available, they aren't the best".
If they review Bolton's position and think he is not up to it, are you suggesting we should keep him, simply because we are in a rebuild?