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Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 04-03-2018
(04-03-2018, 02:59 AM)jeza link Wrote:Kids having homework and computer games would be a new phenomenon..... to an 85 year old.
Both those "experts" would have been raving about round 1 which overall was pretty good.
Roos / Saints / Carlton were horrible round 2 though.
Paul Roos has been on about this issue for a long time, it's not just a 2018 Rnd 2 issue.
He had a major article/interview last year about some of the issues the AFL has long term, in it he discussed one of the strongest arguments for the return of the AFL Reserves was to address the falling skills base. I agree with him, at least with a reserves you end up with a list of full-time players at both levels.
It's not even new to last year, in one of the panel shows he mentioned these discussions have been going on back before Adrian Anderson left the AFL.
Also, close games and exciting results are no indication of skills. You can have two rubbish teams turn the ball over continuously like Carlton / Nthmond Rnd 1 this year, and still have scores level in the last quarter.
You also get knife edge games like yesterdays' Dawks / Handbaggers that were littered with last quarter mistakes over which BT drooled like an idiot! But lets not dress it up, neither coach would be happy about the wash up of that game!
One thing that shocked me from Roos article/interview was to read that even in 2017 our officials are not full-time. It seems ridiculous that the expectations for performance from the players isn't mirrored by the same expectation on the game's officials.
Surely the 120 or so officials it takes to run AFL matches each weekend should be career professionals, not part-timers working a 2nd job!
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - jeza - 04-03-2018
(04-03-2018, 03:41 AM)LP link Wrote:Paul Roos has been on about this issue for a long time, it's not just a 2018 Rnd 2 issue.
He had a major article/interview last year about some of the issues the AFL has long term, in it he discussed one of the strongest arguments for the return of the AFL Reserves was to address the falling skills base. I agree with him, at least with a reserves you end up with a list of full-time players at both levels.
It's not even new to last year, in one of the panel shows he mentioned these discussions have been going on back before Adrian Anderson left the AFL.
Also, close games and exciting results are no indication of skills. You can have two rubbish teams turn the ball over continuously like Carlton / Nthmond Rnd 1 this year, and still have scores level in the last quarter.
You also get knife edge games like yesterdays' Dawks / Handbaggers that were littered with last quarter mistakes over which BT drooled like an idiot! But lets not dress it up, neither coach would be happy about the wash up of that game!
One thing that shocked me from Roos article/interview was to read that even in 2017 our officials are not full-time. It seems ridiculous that the expectations for performance from the players isn't mirrored by the same expectation on the game's officials.
Surely the 120 or so officials it takes to run AFL matches each weekend should be career professionals, not part-timers working a 2nd job!
Paul Roos is a bit of a negative whinger. Proposing some first rate solutions there. Computer games, homework and reserves. All makes perfect sense.
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 04-03-2018
(04-03-2018, 04:25 AM)jeza link Wrote:Paul Roos is a bit of a negative whinger. Proposing some first rate solutions there. Computer games, homework and reserves. All makes perfect sense.
Yet regardless of what he thinks might be the cause, he seems more than qualified to discuss AFL skills as they had occurred.
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 04-03-2018
(04-02-2018, 10:54 AM)LP link Wrote:You've proven nothing, nobody will take you seriously, and comparing Casboult to Plugger, Barry Hall, Ablett Snr, are you joking maybe you aren't! :o
Let me think about this, I can play on Levi Casboult or Plugger, Abletts Snr or Barry Hall! Shizen, I just don't know! :-[
I'm betting if we survey enough footage we'll probably find Casboult stitching up a team-mate the same way! I'll ask Charlie Curnow if he knows any team-mates Meat has taken out! ;D
Thankfully Casboult is out there besides the kids we've drafted, setting the standards, teaching them the tricks, showing them the way to be a big boy player just like him! Helping them deal with the pressure, how to use their size and strength one on one, how to kick the pressure goals!
What more could we ask for, they'll all become superstars! :
As i've said on numerous occasions. I've been pioneering for a casboult replacement for years now. I am not a fan. He is still our best bet, which is a sad indictment on our list.
As for talking about him....i'm done. You are too far down the rabbit hole to see any sense, your mind is made up. So be it. Just know you extremist views in regards to him are in the minority. Even those, like me, who would rather we didn't have to play him think you are off your rocker in your hatred towards him.
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 04-03-2018
I'm usually very optimistic about our players, but I cannot defend him any longer, and I find it a mystery as to how he has survived this long!
I foresee the risk that the old Carlton will surface, and that potential coach killer will surface undoing BB if he hasn't already! In the old Carlton, there will be people positioning themselves to pull the trigger and that player could be the loaded gun!
I don't want that to happen, and I don't want the negative impact that something like that will have affecting our future talent, but if it happens it will affect them you can be sure of that!
If the old Carlton returns and the sh1te does go down, who is the next coach, SOS?
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 04-03-2018
(04-03-2018, 07:36 AM)LP link Wrote:I'm usually very optimistic about our players, but I cannot defend him any longer, and I find it a mystery as to how he has survived this long!
I foresee the risk that the old Carlton will surface, and that potential coach killer will surface undoing BB if he hasn't already! In the old Carlton, there will be people positioning themselves to pull the trigger and that player could be the loaded gun!
I don't want that to happen, and I don't want the negative impact that something like that will have affecting our future talent, but if it happens it will affect them you can be sure of that!
If the old Carlton returns and the sh1te does go down, who is the next coach, SOS?
See you anger, is focussed on Casboult. I understand that frustration. However, he is who is he is and we have enough of a sample to suggest that is never going to change.
You suggest he might be a coach killer. I believe the coach has had more than enough opportunity to get rid of him. He has been re-signed under his watch, so he wears the responsibility of the output.
Bolton wanted him on the list (because no readymade alternative exists IMO) which means SOS and Macca couldn't get one.
Your anger should be focussed on one of those 3. They are the ones that pick him, sign him and play him. Casboult is never going to be fev, stop expecting him to be. You don't like him being on the list, or in the side, direct your anger at the ones that make that happen.
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 04-03-2018
(04-03-2018, 07:41 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Casboult is never going to be fev, stop expecting him to be.
How can I expect him to be a Fev if I think he is incapable of it?
My argument is he is wasting our time, by removing development games from a youthful replacement, and potentially even teaching the kids bad habits along the way!
I won't get into the debate about his capacity to kill the coach, I appreciate any player has that capacity, some just seem more likely to deliver on it than others!
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 04-03-2018
(04-03-2018, 07:56 AM)LP link Wrote:How can I expect him to be a Fev if I think he is incapable of it?
My argument is he is wasting our time, by removing development games from a youthful replacement, and potentially even teaching the kids bad habits along the way!
I won't get into the debate about his capacity to kill the coach, I appreciate any player has that capacity, some just seem more likely to deliver on it than others!
What you are suggesting is murder....or at least manslaughter.
I'm suggesting for Bolton it is coaching suicide.
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - flyboy77 - 04-03-2018
(04-03-2018, 07:36 AM)LP link Wrote:I'm usually very optimistic about our players, but I cannot defend him any longer, and I find it a mystery as to how he has survived this long!
I foresee the risk that the old Carlton will surface, and that potential coach killer will surface undoing BB if he hasn't already! In the old Carlton, there will be people positioning themselves to pull the trigger and that player could be the loaded gun!
I don't want that to happen, and I don't want the negative impact that something like that will have affecting our future talent, but if it happens it will affect them you can be sure of that!
If the old Carlton returns and the sh1te does go down, who is the next coach, SOS?
You talking about Murphy here?
Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - laj - 04-03-2018
(04-03-2018, 07:56 AM)LP link Wrote:How can I expect him to be a Fev if I think he is incapable of it?
My argument is he is wasting our time, by removing development games from a youthful replacement, and potentially even teaching the kids bad habits along the way!
I won't get into the debate about his capacity to kill the coach, I appreciate any player has that capacity, some just seem more likely to deliver on it than others!
While he's out best forward and plays the forward/ruck role decently he'll be playing. Once McKay or Kerr come through they will eventually take his role, until then, Levi fills the role nicely enough. Did a good job backing up Kreuzer as well as kicking 34 goals. Not a b ad result for someone from round 3 of a rookie draft. Don't know what you expected. You've hated him ever since we replaced your love child Hampson in his current role. Hurt like hell when we traded Hammer didn't it. Everyone knows that. Admit it and you'll feel so much better about Levi.