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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 07-01-2021

(07-01-2021, 02:27 AM)sandsmere link Wrote:Very sad story regarding that lady Thry.

I am due to have the second jab next Tuesday.
I saw my GP last week and asked him some questions about vaccine ( astra zenica ).
He asked me if I drove a car. I said yes and he said that every time I use the car I am around 3000 times more likely to
have a driving accident  than I am having a problem with AZ.

Interisting .

Yes statistically you are more likely to be killed driving a car.

Im no anti vaxxer, Im getting my second pfizer jab on Tuesday and two weeks later, Ill go get my flu vax.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 07-01-2021

(06-30-2021, 11:30 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Scomo trying to flog the cheaper AstraZ to the U40s because boxes of it are piling up everywhere because no wants it and he didn't order enough Pfizer.
Then wanting to lay the responsibility on GPs to make the call and go against the ATAGI recommendations. You can understand why GPs would be nervous.. If a young person dies on their watch it will be them wearing the responsibility even if Scomos indemnity holds up in court.
GPs have indemnity as I understand. I saw
A dude on TV this morning on the news, he does the commercials about vaccinations. I think is part of the AMA. He said ignore the goose in QLD, talk to your GP, risk is extremely low. I also heard the Epidemiologist lady with funny hair say dont get your info from facebook and forums. I laughed and thought of this joint??

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 07-01-2021

(07-01-2021, 01:06 AM)LP link Wrote:They've ordered many times what they need, they can keep ordering as much as they like but they aren't being supplied, do not get sucked in by the media, Oz is not a priority for Pfizer we are on the long long delivery lead-time.

It's easy to shout wait for the Pfizer, but the reality is we'll have people waiting until they are dead or debilitated.
the army dude said as much, we are competing with the rest of the world for Vaxs and are doing as best we can.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-01-2021

[member=105]Thryleon[/member]‍  I suspect the story you relate is a perfect example of why people must take advice from specialists and not politicians or bureaucrats.

A sad as the events are, if you are a cancer sufferer and in treatment, your risk of a COVID-19 death still probably far outweighs the risk of a vaccine related death.

In this case, [member=122]Mav[/member]‍ offering his warning about social media is even more relevant, not because in this case it is necessarily malicious, just wrong in the conclusion. If the lady in the high risk category concerned had not been vaccinated, and had then died of getting COVID-19 complications, it is probably the case that some of the family or friends would be blaming the authorities for not making the vaccine available, this is the sad truth.

Humans are very poor at assessing risk.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 07-01-2021

https://verdebaby.com.au/pages/about-us

Alyssa is the lady with the thyroid cancer, who ended up in hospital.

You can shout about the data until the cows come home, this is not a nice story, and if true, is simply a story for people to hear.

The type that the risk assessing folk in government, (who according to LP are human and are very poor at assessing risk) are notching down as 1 in how many LP?



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 07-01-2021

I’m sure every case related to adverse reactions and Covid infections is awful.

For instance, here’s one concerning a mother of a 13 year old boy who committed suicide after enduring long-Covid for 13 months: Dawson’s Creek writer Heidi Ferrer takes her own life after battling ‘long COVID’, 7News.

How bad would it have to be for a mother of a teen to suicide?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-01-2021

(07-01-2021, 04:40 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:The type that the risk assessing folk in government, (who according to LP are human and are very poor at assessing risk) are notching down as 1 in how many LP?
[member=105]Thryleon[/member]‍ Nobody is diminishing the severity of the situation, and how painful this is.

But you write and post like the flipside of this action is a rainbow of happy outcomes, when in reality in some cases there will only be degrees of suffering!

Alysa's case is valid in the context of the warning [member=122]Mav[/member]‍ offered about social media, it is too easily used and manipulated to discourage people from being vaccinated without discussing the risk of not being vaccinated. These are perfect examples of a logical fallacy / false equivalence.

The flipside of not being vaccinated to reduce the risk of a vaccine side-effect, is not guaranteed long lived happiness, in fact the risk of a bad outcome from not being vaccinated is greater.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-01-2021

(07-01-2021, 04:56 AM)Mav date Wrote:I’m sure every case related to adverse reactions and Covid infections is awful.

For instance, here’s one concerning a mother of a 13 year old boy who committed suicide after enduring long-Covid for 13 months: Dawson’s Creek writer Heidi Ferrer takes her own life after battling ‘long COVID’, 7News.

How bad would it have to be for a mother of a teen to suicide?
US Health officials are now saying 30% of all COVID-19 cases, mild, severe or asymptomatic, will experience some form of long COVID-19 illness. It's the big price of not being vaccinated and trying on the naturally earned herd immunity that the media and social media are not discussing.

Some EU block countries that went down the natural herd immunity path, are now heading for a long term national health train wreck. Ironically they have started pumping vaccine into citizens on the premise that giving vaccination after an infection reduces the effects of long Covid-19, but that is unproven. Is that a bet we really want to take while waiting for the gift horse to arrive?

As an aside; Zerafa was right to protect his elderly entourage, Tszyu is the fool manipulating the circumstance, and the NSW Minister who slighted Zerafa for wanting to delay the Newcastle fight until the current COVID situation stabilised is a dead set moron!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 07-01-2021

The hardest pill to swallow are the "health professionals" ... by and large, they're effin' useless.

SA, QLD, VIC, NT, NSW .... rubbish promoted nobodies.  Bitter of me but I don't care


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-01-2021

(07-01-2021, 05:11 AM)capcom date Wrote:The hardest pill to swallow are the "health professionals" ... by and large, they're effin' useless.

SA, QLD, VIC, NT, NSW .... rubbish promoted nobodies.  Bitter of me but I don't care
I've heard it stated that it is a bit like if your no good with money work in a bank! The assertion being that some Health Bureaucrats are failed researchers or specialists that got out of the hands on stuff and entered administration, the next step for some being entering politics. Note I said "some", it cannot be used to generalise.