(06-29-2021, 10:35 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Dunno, what price do you put on 820 Australians no longer with us?

(06-29-2021, 11:00 AM)northernblue link Wrote:Do I get to select the 820 ? ?

Sadly they are departed and we can’t help them.

Again I ask you insurance… how much are you prepared to pay in premiums ?
More than you earn in income ? Half ? 5% ?

I understand what you’re saying and don’t disagree, I’m just pointing out that if these centers are to be properly built and fit for purpose AND ready to go then the bastards (politicians) won’t be trimming their salaries to make the budget work.

I think if we want a pandemic facility the NT one has provided the blueprint, but I’m not sure that one (or more) in each state is financially workable. Maybe one other, both federally funded and everyone (foreign arrivals at least) funnels through them probably doesn’t work for local cases though.

(06-29-2021, 11:00 AM)northernblue link Wrote:Do I get to select the 820 ? ?

Sadly they are departed and we can’t help them.

Again I ask you insurance… how much are you prepared to pay in premiums ?
More than you earn in income ? Half ? 5% ?

I understand what you’re saying and don’t disagree, I’m just pointing out that if these centers are to be properly built and fit for purpose AND ready to go then the bastards (politicians) won’t be trimming their salaries to make the budget work.

I think if we want a pandemic facility the NT one has provided the blueprint, but I’m not sure that one (or more) in each state is financially workable. Maybe one other, both federally funded and everyone (foreign arrivals at least) funnels through them probably doesn’t work for local cases though.

(06-29-2021, 12:14 PM)northernblue link Wrote:You both make great points [member=105]Thryleon[/member] & [member=160]Gointocarlton[/member].
Ideally we could trust people to go home and stay home… ?

I’m going through my first lockdown, we were locked down last year, but I and every other tradie was flat out quoting work for a gov stimulus package ?
On Sunday arvo darwin was put into lockdown, then on Monday arvo they listed “casual contact” sites, one of which was Darwin Bunnings on Saturday morning, guess where I was on Saturday morning…?
Their exposure timeframe drifted over the course of Monday and night, initially 10-10:15 Saturday, my receipt was date stamped 10:09 ??
I rang the Covid hotline and finally got a call back at 9pm Monday night, only to be put on hold again… got a call this morning confirming that the exposure time was 10:30-10:40 Saturday, so I’m in the clear.
But it gets you thinking about you exposure… my customer and her partner, her daughter, my wife, the houses that my wife cleaned on Sunday morning, her cleaning boss, the lady we dropped some produce off to, the woolies that I went to for my usual weekly shop on Sunday lunch (when everyone in darwin turned up to panic buy, most without masks) then on Monday me and my wife’s return to woolies, and bottle shop prior to hearing about my possible Bunnings exposure… geez !!
The numbers are breathtaking !

Quote:By now you’ve probably heard Scott Morrison’s argument, which goes something like this: Australia can’t yet talk about a post-pandemic future because we still don’t know whether vaccines guarantee a return to normality.

To illustrate the point, the Prime Minister regularly notes COVID-19 cases are climbing in Britain even though 85 per cent of all adults have been given one dose of a vaccine and 62 per cent the full two.

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The Prime Minister is entitled to defend his strategy. But he also has an obligation to not cherry pick the facts about a vaccination program far more successful than his own.

• Infections were always going to increase as the UK came out of lockdown.
  
• While infections are up, deaths are much lower than previously for comparable cases.
  
• Of the 92,000 people infected with the Delta variant since Feb, only 7.8% involve those who were double vaccinated.
  
• Nobody in England aged under 50 and double jabbed has died from the Delta variant this year.
  
• It’s believed the vaccines have prevented about 7 million from being infected.
  

Quote:David Spiegelhalter, the chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at Cambridge, and Anthony Masters, a statistical ambassador for the Royal Statistical Society, have a simple explanation for why so many fully vaccinated people died: the vaccines are not perfect and older people will always be at most risk.

“The risk of dying from COVID-19 is extraordinarily dependent on age: it halves for each six to seven year age gap,” they wrote in The Guardian. “This means that someone aged 80 who is fully vaccinated essentially takes on the risk of an unvaccinated person of around 50 – much lower, but still [it’s] not nothing, and so we can expect some deaths.”