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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - DJC - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 07:18 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:A similar situation has emerged in Britain today with the murder of an MP by a mentally ill man. The conspiracy theorists are in full flight linking it to Brexiteers and anti immigration groups.
Witnesses say that he shouted "Britain first" or similar and that seems to tick the "political aims" box.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 08:55 AM)DJC link Wrote:Witnesses say that he shouted "Britain first" or similar and that seems to tick the "political aims" box.
Yes I read that. That's all they needed. :
The fact that he had no affiliations to a political group and had a history of mental illness seem to have been overlooked.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 08:12 AM)Lods link Wrote:Mav gave a definition of it a little while back
so in that context....
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/
Pretty much an act of terrorism (whatever his other motives...including a suggested conflict regarding his sexuality)
Is Mav the arbiter of such definitions then?
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 09:38 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Is Mav the arbiter of such definitions then?
I think he was quoting the Oxford English Dictionary....they're a pretty good source for definitions
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - DJC - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 09:21 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Yes I read that. That's all they needed. :
The fact that he had no affiliations to a political group and had a history of mental illness seem to have been overlooked.
You could probably say much the same about Mateen and Monis. The latter was found by a psychiatrist to "not have a psychiatric illness, rather a complex personality disorder that led to vicious, deceitful, manipulative and anti-social attitudes and behaviour". The psychiatrist also said that Monis was a "lone wolf" terrorist.
Timothy McVeigh wasn't affiliated with any political or other group, apart from brief engagements with the Republicans and NRA.
I suspect that "personality disorder" would be a trait of most folk who carry out terrorist acts, mass killings and/or political assassinations.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 09:59 AM)DJC link Wrote:You could probably say much the same about Mateen and Monis. The latter was found by a psychiatrist to "not have a psychiatric illness, rather a complex personality disorder that led to vicious, deceitful, manipulative and anti-social attitudes and behaviour". The psychiatrist also said that Monis was a "lone wolf" terrorist.
Timothy McVeigh wasn't affiliated with any political or other group, apart from brief engagements with the Republicans and NRA.
I suspect that "personality disorder" would be a trait of most folk who carry out terrorist acts, mass killings and/or political assassinations.
How much do you actually know about this bloke DJC? Looks like you've got your mind pretty much made up.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - madbluboy - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 07:43 AM)Lods link Wrote:I'm not sure what's being implied here?
Basically if you call the Orlando shooter a terrorist you're doing so only because he's middle eastern and it would have nothing to do with the fact he shot 100 people.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - DJC - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 10:05 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:How much do you actually know about this bloke DJC? Looks like you've got your mind pretty much made up.
I know as much or as little as most folk who listen to or watch the news. Hence my references to Monis and McVeigh, both of whom are relatively well known and were not affiliated with political groups and had histories of "personality disorders" at best.
In this case, it seems that a bloke armed with a gun and a knife carried out what was apparently a premeditated attack on a MP while apparently shouting a political slogan of a group that holds opposite views to the MP.
There's no suggestion that it was drug-fuelled, it's probably not a homophobic hate attack, it could be a misogynistic attack, it could be the result of a personality disorder or insanity . . . and/or a terrorist attack.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 11:42 AM)DJC link Wrote:I know as much or as little as most folk who listen to or watch the news. Hence my references to Monis and McVeigh, both of whom are relatively well known and were not affiliated with political groups and had histories of "personality disorders" at best.
In this case, it seems that a bloke armed with a gun and a knife carried out what was apparently a premeditated attack on a MP while apparently shouting a political slogan of a group that holds opposite views to the MP.
There's no suggestion that it was drug-fuelled, it's probably not a homophobic hate attack, it could be a misogynistic attack, it could be the result of a personality disorder or insanity . . . and/or a terrorist attack.
In other words you are surmising and speculating?
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 09:43 AM)Lods link Wrote:I think he was quoting the Oxford English Dictionary....they're a pretty good source for definitions
Aside from the definition you quote, the word "terrorist" has gained an extremely emotive connotation in recent times in terms of profiling of certain people. It should be used with great care therefore until the full facts of this become known - if of course they ever do. Let's not fall for the trial by media and the hysteria that it creates?