(06-26-2021, 11:01 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Food for thought most of today's espionage end up being false flag attacks.

The Spanish flu was only named the Spanish flu because Spain was the first country to report on it.

(06-27-2021, 12:03 AM)capcom link Wrote:Many believe it was in Kansas ... but safe to say that with next to no commercial passenger air travel, many many millions more would have died. 

(06-27-2021, 12:23 AM)DJC date Wrote:Apparently reporting of “Spanish” flu was suppressed by the warring nations.  As Spain wasn’t involved in the war, its media was free to report anything.

While there was no air travel, tens of thousands of military personnel were transported to and from the war.  Returning servicemen brought the virus to Australia.

(06-27-2021, 12:33 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Greg Hunt being forced to order a review into the CSIRO and their involvement in the Wuhan Bat research along with some Aus Uni's.The CSIRO have been caught telling porkies about live bat's being used and Matt Canavan won't let it go in the Senate.
The idea that Aus taxpayer money has been used to assist these Chinese researchers in return for what I don't know and has been covered up is disgraceful.
Uni's here will sell their soul for the Chinese money so that doesn't surprise me they are involved.
Let's hope its not another sham like the Who investigation was in Wuhan.

(06-27-2021, 12:33 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Greg Hunt being forced to order a review into the CSIRO and their involvement in the Wuhan Bat research along with some Aus Uni's.The CSIRO have been caught telling porkies about live bat's being used and Matt Canavan won't let it go in the Senate.
The idea that Aus taxpayer money has been used to assist these Chinese researchers in return for what I don't know and has been covered up is disgraceful.
Uni's here will sell their soul for the Chinese money so that doesn't surprise me they are involved.
Let's hope its not another sham like the Who investigation was in Wuhan.

Quote:Following two articles which appeared in The Australian on 25 June 2021 (CSIRO, unis in 10 joint research projects with Wuhan lab and Gain-of-function research risks), as the Chief Executive of Australia’s national science agency it is important your readers have the facts about the CSIRO and our research. Accusations around lack of transparency are both misinformed and offensive to the researchers who have worked to safeguard Australia for the last century.

Since the pandemic began, our researchers have worked tirelessly to help protect Australia. This has included pre-clinical testing of potential vaccines, tracking emerging variants of concern, monitoring wastewater to detect hotspots, and supporting domestic manufacturing and testing of surgical masks. This is in addition to our regular work protecting Australia from a host of other diseases like avian flu, zika, white spot prawn, and foot and mouth disease.

CSIRO has never shied away from talking about its research, including with bats. This research underpins much of our understanding of infectious diseases, and enabled us to help create a successful vaccine to treat Hendra virus. All our infectious disease research is conducted in line with strict ethical, biosecurity and regulatory requirements. All research is fully transparent and publicly available.

Our involvement in bat research was first raised by Ms Markson early last year. On 28 April 2020 I issued a statement (Statement from CSIRO regarding bat research) that acknowledged that research into bats underpins much of our understanding of zoonotic diseases, but that we don’t currently undertake research on live bats at the Australian Centre for Disease Preparedness (ACDP).

Like people, bats are mammals, except unlike people, bats can carry viruses like Ebola, rabies or SARS, without becoming sick. Understanding more about the immune system of bats, the viruses they may carry, and how these viruses affect them, holds huge potential for how we might be able to protect Australians.

Infectious diseases need a global response. CSIRO has worked with China, the US and other countries on bat research because bat viruses in Asia pose a threat to Australia. CSIRO also works with the US, Japan, Malaysia, France, Indonesia, India, the UK and PNG on a range of other infectious diseases. All of this is done to help protect Australians from potential future pandemics. The speed of the global response to COVID-19 has been attributed to excellent international scientific collaboration.

The ACDP is internationally recognised as a world class, global laboratory, and is one of Australia’s major defence systems against the increasing threat of infectious diseases. I am proud of the work that our teams at this facility do to keep Australians safe.

As the national science agency, we support the pursuit of knowledge, whether that be by scientists, the public or media, however this reporting is speculative and misleading. The Australian’s readers and our public deserve better.

Dr Larry Marshall
Chief Executive, CSIRO

(06-27-2021, 11:44 AM)DJC link Wrote:Greg Hunt ordering an enquiry into CSIRO?  That's weird because Christian Porter is the responsible Minister ... but then, the report is in a Murdoch paper.

It's interesting to hear what CSIRO has to say:

I think that I will place my trust in CSIRO rather than the anti-science organs of the Oligarch.

(06-27-2021, 11:44 AM)DJC link Wrote:Greg Hunt ordering an enquiry into CSIRO?  That's weird because Christian Porter is the responsible Minister ... but then, the report is in a Murdoch paper.

It's interesting to hear what CSIRO has to say:

I think that I will place my trust in CSIRO rather than the anti-science organs of the Oligarch.