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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - malo - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 12:09 AM)Mav link Wrote:Dylan Roof shot a number of black people in a Charleston church. He was a racist who had been inspired by podcasts espousing Christian Identity doctrines urging the start of a race war. Use of violence - check. Against civilians - check. In pursuit of political aims - check. Yet he wasn't called a terrorist, except by left-wingers who pointed out that he would have been labelled that way if he were a Muslim. Instead, he was called deranged or unhinged. The right-wing press did its best to ignore the fact it was a case of racial hatred. Instead, it was portrayed as an attack on Christians!
He shot a number Christians in a Church Mav.....not sure how it could be portrayed as anything else.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 06-15-2016
He was a Christian too. What he wasn't was black. And if you followed the case, you'd know that his issue was their colour. He confessed that immediately after the shootings. Seems the right wing is happy to ignore self-professed motives where it suits but any comments about Islam exclude any other possible explanations.
Click HERE for a report on his 'manifesto' drawn from his website. Can you find any issue with Christians?
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - madbluboy - 06-15-2016
He was a terrorist too.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 06-15-2016
And yet he is only referred to as the Charleston Church shooter. On the other hand, the media referred to the San Bernadino terror attack.
When Trump next asks why some are reluctant to refer to Radical Islamic terrorism, someone should tell him that this is a tautology. Terrorism MEANS Radical Islamic Terrorism. There simply is no other kind in the US.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 06-15-2016
Click HERE for an opinion piece on the same point which concludes as follows:
Quote:The Orlando shootings are a textbook example of where labelling somebody a terrorist tells us more about the person applying the label than it does about the person labelled. The worst mass shooting in US history can be both an act of terrorism and an act of homophobia – there is no tension between the two, apart from in the eyes of the beholder.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Baggers - 06-17-2016
"The Orlando shootings are a textbook example of where labelling somebody a terrorist tells us more about the person applying the label than it does about the person labelled. The worst mass shooting in US history can be both an act of terrorism and an act of homophobia – there is no tension between the two, apart from in the eyes of the beholder."
Great quote. Thank you, Mr Maverick.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-17-2016
A similar situation has emerged in Britain today with the murder of an MP by a mentally ill man. The conspiracy theorists are in full flight linking it to Brexiteers and anti immigration groups.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 06-17-2016
I'm not sure what's being implied here?
Is there a suggestion that Orlando wasn't an act of terrorism as well as a homophobic attack.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-17-2016
(06-17-2016, 07:43 AM)Lods link Wrote:I'm not sure what's being implied here?
Is there a suggestion that Orlando wasn't an act of terrorism as well as a homophobic attack.
I guess we really need to define what we mean by "an act of terrorism" since this can have a number of connotations, depending on your point of view.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 06-17-2016
Mav gave a definition of it a little while back
Quote:"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"
so in that context....
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/
Quote:"America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state," the gunman wrote, according to the chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
"You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes ... now taste the Islamic state vengeance."
Pretty much an act of terrorism (whatever his other motives...including a suggested conflict regarding his sexuality)