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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 01:20 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Biden is the world biggest embarrassment of a leader, I'd be ashamed to call him my President. Shouldn't be in charge of a Milk Bar let alone a country.
Yes, but in comparison to Von Schitzenpants, Sleepy Joe is a combination of Haile Selassie, Winston Churchill, JFK, Douglas MacArthur, Queen Elizabeth, Nelson Mandela and Mahatma and Indira Gandhi.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 01:31 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13412111/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-swing-states-voting-poll-democrat.html
There’s a lot more to American voting polls than meets the eye:
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/latest-us-opinion-polls
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 01:37 PM)DJC link Wrote:There’s a lot more to American voting polls than meets the eye:From that link:
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/latest-us-opinion-polls
Most Americans say the economy and inflation are the most important issues determining who they will support for president in November
New ABC News/Ipsos polling finds that President Biden’s approval rating hovers in the mid-to-high 30’s, statistically unchanged from January. The economy and inflation remain the most important issues for Americans when determining who they may support for president in November. More Americans trust Trump over Biden on these issues and feel they were better off financially under Trump than Biden. However, Americans’ views on both of the candidates remain dim, with many feeling both candidates are too old and not trustworthy. Overall, the 2024 election remains a toss-up.
Id still rather be Trump based on those quotes....the war issues and economy wont be getting any better, anytime soon and while Trump is the bigger scumbag I reckon the lack of faith in Biden to fix the economic woes will see him ousted..
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - PaulP - 05-18-2024
If the American judicial system wasn't so broken and corrupt, this discussion wouldn't even be happening.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 01:31 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13412111/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-swing-states-voting-poll-democrat.html
Im no fan of Trump and consider him dangerous but I think its Biden who faces the uphill battle, he is also being blamed for the turn of fortunes in the Ukraine conflict with his slow supply of arms/munitions to the Zelensky Govt allowing Putin to resupply and turn the war into a economic contest.
But it wasn't Biden (or rather the folks looking after him) who held up the aid to Ukraine. It was the Republicans, probably at the behest of Trump who held up that aid by tying it to extracting extra concessions on other issues like the border security.
Mav warned about this when the war was in its infancy. If Trump wins you can probably kiss Ukraine goodbye. NATO wouldn't be able to rely on the USA. We'd probably need to worry about the strength of our own alliances. MAGA is an American first, isolationist movement. The security and well being of other countries doesn't really rate.
The Democrats don't get a free pass though.
If Biden's their candidate then Trump's a real chance....and that's on them.
Apart from the issues with economy, the other big issues in this election are border security and American jobs being lost to other countries. These are resonating when you hear American voters asked about the issues thaty concern them.
In the end the contest will boil down to whether the Americans would prefer a president largely controlled by his 'carers' or a president no-one is really capable of controlling.
That would seem an easy choice for us.
Apparently not so for the USA.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 09:45 PM)Lods link Wrote:But it wasn't Biden (or rather the folks looking after him) who held up the aid to Ukraine. It was the Republicans, probably at the behest of Trump who held up that aid by tying it to extracting extra concessions on other issues like the border security.
Mav warned about this when the war was in its infancy. If Trump wins you can probably kiss Ukraine goodbye. NATO wouldn't be able to rely on the USA. We'd probably need to worry about the strength of our own alliances. MAGA is an American first, isolationist movement. The security and well being of other countries doesn't really rate.
The Democrats don't get a free pass though.
If Biden's their candidate then Trump's a real chance....and that's on them.
Apart from the issues with economy, the other big issues in this election are border security and American jobs being lost to other countries. These are resonating when you hear American voters asked about the issues thaty concern them.
In the end the contest will boil down to whether the Americans would prefer a president largely controlled by his 'carers' or a president no-one is really capable of controlling.
That would seem an easy choice for us.
Apparently not so for the USA.
Why is Ukraine anyone else's problem?
Curious. My biggest gripe with the usa is its interference in international conflict is rather self serving anyway.
I.e. Israel in Palestine is their horse being backed so the strong condemnation isn't occurring. Meanwhile Ukraine falling to Russia is their horse not being backed in favour of a rival so everyone must intervene.
Ultimately in both cases they don't care about anything but their own interests. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not wax lyrically about one party or the other here and another nation and its rather unrelated geo politics.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Gointocarlton - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 09:11 PM)PaulP link Wrote:If the American judicial system wasn't so broken and corrupt, this discussion wouldn't even be happening.If the American judicial system wasn't so broken, they'd have wings in prisons just for presidents and ex-presidents. Biden would be in a cell with Trump and Obama on either side. Clinton in the cell after that.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 10:31 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Why is Ukraine anyone else's problem?
Without being overly dramatic...Folks probably said the same thing about Czechoslovakia and Poland in the late 1930s.
Once Ukraine is 'annexed' where to next for a Russian president who seems intent on 'returning' Russian borders to something resembling the USSR
There is a pretty good reason why we should be concerned.
There's a good reason why the American response is important...because there may come a time when we need to be concerned about the strength of our own relationship with the USA.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 05-18-2024
Trump's charges are real, and he might suffer financial penalties as well, the only thing saving him from the wolves is the fear they have he might again be President and abuse his power to take revenge on them, that's what is broken in the USA political system, it's fairly obvious.
The bulk of the allegations against US officials are fake, made up by huckster lunatics and Russian operatives on social media, if you believe them you are just a pawn in the international game of politics and power. But they don't have to fear the bulk of Trump's competitors including Biden, because they are nobodies and unlike Trump they aren't on the revenge radar.
I laugh at people who seem to think Trump is going to fill pockets full of cash, he will but only his own, and he does that by employing Mexicans and West Indians at 1/2 local wages. He wouldn't stop to piss on an American citizen on fire, he'd probably command the security staff not to waste the water.
There significant irony in Trump boosters accusing Biden of devilish financial deeds, as far as I can tell, Biden is just a milder / moderate version of Trump. At the top end of US politics, they all are mild versions of Trump, because they are all motivated by wealth and power, they just aren't as extreme as Trump!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 11:41 PM)Lods date Wrote:Without being overly dramatic...Folks probably said the same thing about Czechoslovakia and Poland in the late 1930s.The most shocking thing about this is how long it took for mainstream media to realise Putin has no target boundary, he won't stop.
Once Ukraine is 'annexed' where to next for a Russian president who seems intent on 'returning' Russian borders to something resembling the USSR