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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-21-2021
@Paul
There is little evidence to show or suggest that we have yet taken on board such development measures. We have started hearing about the "Carlton Academy " recently though. Hopefully this will involve bringing aboard the right experience and expertise.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Lods - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 01:09 PM)Macca37 link Wrote:I must admit I was blindsided by the details from the Matt Rendell interview. I have given little attention to development in the past as I assumed ( I know, a dangerous thing to do) that Carlton as a successful club would automatically use best practices in the development of its players.
Now that it has been called into question, I would appreciate any information on development, or lack of, as it relates to our club.
I think one way to look at it is this....
Have a look at the list and ask yourself this question....
Which players, especially amongst draftees, are better or showing significantly more impact than their initial season?
Just as a start....
Cunningham
Dow
O'Brien
Are they better footballers than their first season?
SPS- Has had some good games...but has he progressed?
Fisher-Injured a bit lately...but not really a dramatic improvement over his initial year.
Weitering- had a good first season then took a while to get back but is now showing a bit of what we expected.
Harry McKay- shows potential....the challenge is to find some consistency.
Jack Silvagni- Thought he showed a bit of improvement before his injury.
Walsh-the energizer bunny, keeps going... keeps getting better. Will we continue to 'develop him'...or burn him out.
After that we have to look at the draftees who haven't yet made it into the side on a consistent basis or have been discarded.
That's a fault in development that's not always in the front of mind.
Whether it's improving skills or giving players opportunities you have to think we have some issues in development.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 10:34 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:@Paul
There is little evidence to show or suggest that we have yet taken on board such development measures. We have started hearing about the "Carlton Academy " recently though. Hopefully this will involve bringing aboard the right experience and expertise.
I am of the opinion that under Bolton, the men's senior team was the development team, and he was the development coach, because frankly, there was nowhere else for the kids to go. Clearly a recipe for class unrest.
I hope the Academy as you mention and also the new VFL team will address this issue.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-21-2021
Lods is right, losses are good for business, especially bad ones...haha.
This one has been pulled apart and analysed to the absolute nth degree...lol. Been a good discussion.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-22-2021
Tom Browne
@TomBrowne7
John Worsfold will mentor David Teague and the blues coaches, attending the game this weekend. They are friends from West Coast, and have been in discussion since February. It’s part time, but will boost support and add IP. #exclusive
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-22-2021
Someone on FB went to listen to Robert Walls at a Sportsman's Night.
"I had the pleasure of listening to Robert Walls speak last night at a Sportsman’s Association evening. He’s a great presenter and spoke for roughly an hour (inc Q & A), a few take aways for me were;
1. He mentioned that he still follows Carlton, and that he met with Mark Maclure on Tuesday to speak about his comments. For what it’s worth he agrees with Maclure but won’t speak to the media about it as the Club always follows up with a please explain (in his words; “I don’t want to be beaten over the head with a baseball bat”)
2. As the current team sits he can see that there’s only 3 players that would die for the jumper each game. He named them in order of Cripps, Walsh & Ed Curnow. Jones & Weitering go close but just aren’t desperate enough every minute of every game. He said the rest were happy to get paid and be mediocre.
3. His son is the current list manager/TPP manager at Freo and he’s based in Melbourne as Freo has a focus on WA players as the go home factor is real. He never mentioned Cripps as being a target but did speak of Tim English, Aaron Naughton & Bailey Dale of the WB’s. Also mentioned that Fyfe is currently on 1.4mil a year. I read into this that he was trying to say they won’t be going for “big fish” but rather younger players on smaller contracts."
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - jeza - 04-24-2021
I don't agree with the whole "we're crap at development" theory. Not many of our players who have left have become good footballers elsewhere. JK is the exception but there were exceptional circumstances there.
It is much more the case that we recruit the wrong players to start with. SOS sort of put that right but then our other main problem struck... amateurish board & management.
Then you've got to consider fitness.
We seem to be permanently 10-15 players down. What the solution is there I don't know.
Take the equivalent or Charlie, TDK, Parks, Newman, JSOS, Kemp, Caroll, Martin, Fisher, Marchbank, McDonald off the Port list, give us all of those players fit and re-run last week's game and see who wins. It is hard to judge the list build when you never get to see the list play.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 04-24-2021
(04-24-2021, 03:42 AM)jeza link Wrote:I don't agree with the whole "we're crap at development" theory. Not many of our players who have left have become good footballers elsewhere. JK is the exception but there were exceptional circumstances there.
Eddie Betts played better at Adelaide.
Mitch Robinson played better at Brisbane
Nick Holman clearly better at Gold Coast
Lachie Henderson played his best football with Geelong
Zach Tuohy played his best at Geelong
Shaun Grigg played his best at Richmond
Josh Kennedy at West Coast
Sam Jacobs at Adelaide
Shaun Hampson at Richmond
..and thats just off the top of my head.