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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - flyboy77 - 06-15-2016
How does one shooter kill 50 odd and wound a further 50 in a confined space without getting taken down?
Stories say that people were shot multiple times.....
afaiaw, the magazine of the main weapon used holds 30 rounds.
Do the maths.
Why did the Feds take 3 hours to 'storm' the building?the main
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 06-15-2016
One witness who ran out of the building yelled at the police that they needed to go in but they didn't. The gunman was in there for some 3 hours. I agree, it's really weird.
The Martin Place siege should have ended with a sniper's bullet. The snipers had opportunities but weren't allowed to take the shot. But there hadn't been shooting until very late in the piece, unlike in Orlando.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 01:19 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:How does one shooter kill 50 odd and wound a further 50 in a confined space without getting taken down?
Stories say that people were shot multiple times.....
afaiaw, the magazine of the main weapon used holds 30 rounds.
Do the maths.
Why did the Feds take 3 hours to 'storm' the building?the main
The reason given was that they thought he was wearing an explosive device. Make of that what you will but AFAIC things are rarely just what they seem on the surface.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - DJC - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 01:19 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:How does one shooter kill 50 odd and wound a further 50 in a confined space without getting taken down?
Stories say that people were shot multiple times.....
afaiaw, the magazine of the main weapon used holds 30 rounds.
Do the maths.
Why did the Feds take 3 hours to 'storm' the building?the main
Magazines for the AR-15 hold between 5 and 100 rounds but 20 and 30 round magazines are standard. Military users of the similar M-16 often tape three magazines together giving rapid access to up to 90 rounds. Changing magazines takes seconds so magazine capacity is not a limiting factor.
The AR-15 is semi-automatic so the rate of fire is dependant on how fast the shooter can pull the trigger (and change magazines). I once fired 60 rounds from a semi-automatic rifle in just over a minute (two magazine changes) so shooting around 100 people in a confined area in 5-10 minutes would be relatively easy - if you are cold-blooded enough to carry out such an atrocity.
I understand that the delay in entering the building was due to fears that the gunman had explosives. I'm not sure how far the armoured vehicle had to travel but that may have been a factor too.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 02:39 AM)DJC link Wrote:Magazines for the AR-15 hold between 5 and 100 rounds but 20 and 30 round magazines are standard. Military users of the similar M-16 often tape three magazines together giving rapid access to up to 90 rounds. Changing magazines takes seconds so magazine capacity is not a limiting factor.
The AR-15 is semi-automatic so the rate of fire is dependant on how fast the shooter can pull the trigger (and change magazines). I once fired 60 rounds from a semi-automatic rifle in just over a minute (two magazine changes) so shooting around 100 people in a confined area in 5-10 minutes would be relatively easy - if you are cold-blooded enough to carry out such an atrocity.
I understand that the delay in entering the building was due to fears that the gunman had explosives. I'm not sure how far the armoured vehicle had to travel but that may have been a factor too.
I agree with all those points.
Years ago prior to the bans on semi-automatic weapons I owned a Ruger Mini 14 which was a similar category of weapon we used for feral pig eradication. Back then in South Australia you could buy a circular clip version with a 100 capacity that you could empty as fast as you could pull the trigger. There was no reason or need to attempt an automatic modification, I think the maximum rate was about 3 rounds per second unmodified. A standard 30 shot clip could be taped back to back just like you see in the movies and changed a 2 or 3 seconds.
The "modification" of these weapons to fully automatic is overstated by the media, it has nothing to do with the events and in automatic form they are harder to control than in semi-automatic form. Regardless they should not be available to the general public in any format, they are weapons of war not pieces of sporting equipment.
BTW., listening to the audio being broadcast indicates the rifle used was operating as a semi-automatic.
Finally, I have no idea why someone would complain about the slow response times. Those officials have no idea with what they are dealing with at the time, all that relevant information comes after the fact. Also they are on a hiding to nothing, if they shoot a nutter who has a vest loaded with explosives they will be criticized as much if not even more than if they delay and people die by other means. Maybe there would have been 300 dead in such a circumstance. They are professionals, the media should but out and let them do their job!
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 02:39 AM)DJC link Wrote:Magazines for the AR-15 hold between 5 and 100 rounds but 20 and 30 round magazines are standard. Military users of the similar M-16 often tape three magazines together giving rapid access to up to 90 rounds. Changing magazines takes seconds so magazine capacity is not a limiting factor.
The AR-15 is semi-automatic so the rate of fire is dependant on how fast the shooter can pull the trigger (and change magazines). I once fired 60 rounds from a semi-automatic rifle in just over a minute (two magazine changes) so shooting around 100 people in a confined area in 5-10 minutes would be relatively easy - if you are cold-blooded enough to carry out such an atrocity.
I understand that the delay in entering the building was due to fears that the gunman had explosives. I'm not sure how far the armoured vehicle had to travel but that may have been a factor too.
AR-15's are a very quick mag change and shoot 20 rounds in nine seconds, given the shooter had a modded up 100 round mag it would have been easy to shoot a lot of people at once.
My bro in law is in a gun club/collects them and he reckons the big thing with the military style weapons is they dont overheat like older semi autos so you dont have any cool down period which allows you to keep shooting and that a kid could learn to use a AR-15 as they are that easy. They should be banned.....
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cimm1979 - 06-15-2016
(06-15-2016, 03:11 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:AR-15's are a very quick mag change and shoot 20 rounds in nine seconds, given the shooter had a modded up 100 round mag it would have been easy to shoot a lot of people at once.
My bro in law is in a gun club/collects them and he reckons the big thing with the military style weapons is they dont overheat like older semi autos so you dont have any cool down period which allows you to keep shooting and that a kid could learn to use a AR-15 as they are that easy. They should be banned.....
I don't know much about AR-15 but I do know modifications are available via legitimate and illegitimate means for many weapons. Can you turn one into fully-auto easily?
I have used a 9mm glock handgun extensively, which are a semi auto-matic hand gun. The following accessories are available for it
Shoulder stock and barrel extension (to turn it into a rifle.)
Silencer.
Scope.
100 shot mags (normal mag is 13)
and most sinister is a kit which turns it from a semi-auto pistol into a fully automatic submachine gun, like an Uzi. Complete with 100 shot mag, side bar, silencer, shoulder stock and to change from semi-auto to fully auto requires the simple insertion of a small metal tab that's about the size of a half a guitar pick into the back of the slide mechanism.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - DJC - 06-15-2016
The current AR-15 differs from the M-16 and M-4 military rifles so that it is not possible to interchange components and convert the AR-15 to select fire (3 shot bursts and fully automatic). It is illegal to convert AR-15s to fully automatic in the US but not illegal to have fully automatic AR-15s that were converted before the legislation was enacted :
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 06-15-2016
Scary fact;
Dependant on the firing mechanism conversion to fully-auto from semi-auto can sometimes be achieved by simply using a pair of pliers and your girlfriends hair pin! It's not a long term solution as the hair pin breaks, but it does work for a clip or two.
EB1 is on the money regarding overheating issues with some semi-autos compared to the 15s.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 06-15-2016
Click HERE for an article describing a confrontation between a Shooters' Party MP and a Port Arthur massacre survivor on SBS's Insight. He was whinging that it was oh so hard to obtain a Category C licence which permits possession of semi-automatic rifles/shotguns or pump-action shotguns. She told him it was supposed to be! Talk about being tone deaf ...
She also advocates the banning of the Adler 110 shotgun banned as it's capable of the rapid fire of up to 8 rounds. Unfortunately, the gun control measures have been progressively white-anted so that there are gaps big enough to sneak a Howitzer through.