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Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 04-02-2018 (04-02-2018, 02:14 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:It's a catch 20/20. Maybe 2 or 3 sides have a match up for all of Marchbank/Jones/Weitering. Ideally we would get by with 2 and Plowman who can play oversized at a pinch. So what's the catch? I agree with most of that, and i know there is no easy solution to the problem. I haven't given up on Weitering yet, far from it, but i don't think playing him at present is doing him and us any good...especially when there is no matchup for him. Short term? So yes, send him to VFL, let him dominate, let him enjoy playing footy again. Let him spend some time up forward if kick a goal or 2. Medium term? See how he goes in the VFL, if he regains some form, maybe try him again at senior level. If we have injuries, we have cover. Long term? Hard to say. Jones is only 27 and has plenty of footy ahead of him. Blokes his size are generally just hitting their peak now. Do we cash in? Maybe. I'd certainly keep Marchbank as he has barely put a foot wrong in his time at the club. Weitering is probably your best long term option....but he might also hold the most value at the trade table. Look at offers and let them dictate what you wanna do. If we could snare a young-ish, but AFL ready key forward in a trade for Weitering....even if we throw in a kicker, should we do it? If it was Lynch?? You gotta explore these options. However, short term, i see no benefit to playing Weitering right now, not for him, not for our future and not helping us win. Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - laj - 04-02-2018 (04-02-2018, 02:15 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Kruezer played in the same game at Etihad last season and lowered his colours to Witts as did Cripps to Lyons, they rocked up with the same game plan and Lynch torched us again......you have to start looking at the coaches box too when you analyse deja vu defeats... Yes, Kreuzer had his ar$e handed to him by Witts last year, Cripps struggled with 17 touches but Levi stayed home and kicked 3. Lynch kicked 7. Wonder why nothing changed. Maybe they got thrown by the return game where Cripps was alot better, Lynch was goaless on Jones, Levi had a good one around the ground despite missing every shot at goal, and Kreuzer played well on Witts but still, you have to be aware of history and what those players can do to you and last year at Etihad is still fresh. Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - Barbs - 04-02-2018 Bowes booked for his charge on Weitering. (ie the one where the umpires didn't report him or even give a 50m penalty) http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-02/young-sun-cops-a-week-plus-fines-galore Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 04-02-2018 (04-02-2018, 03:50 AM)laj link Wrote:Yes, Kreuzer had his ar$e handed to him by Witts last year, Cripps struggled with 17 touches but Levi stayed home and kicked 3. Lynch kicked 7. Wonder why nothing changed. Maybe they got thrown by the return game where Cripps was alot better, Lynch was goaless on Jones, Levi had a good one around the ground despite missing every shot at goal, and Kreuzer played well on Witts but still, you have to be aware of history and what those players can do to you and last year at Etihad is still fresh. Kreuzer was injured in the 1st Qtr against GC last season, played out the game and then missed the following week. So we knew what was going to happen playing a less than capable ruck option against Witts, so we repeated history! May carried an injury allowing Casboult freedom to influence the game, after Lynch had stitched up Rowe with 6 goals we put Weitering on him which ended Lynch's dominance all too late! So two days ago we played Weitering forward and let Casboult learn what a real ruck option does! Is it only our players who have to learn from history, what about the MC? Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - laj - 04-02-2018 (04-02-2018, 04:38 AM)LP link Wrote:Kreuzer was injured in the 1st Qtr against GC last season, played out the game and then missed the following week. So we knew what was going to happen playing a less than capable ruck option against Witts, so we repeated history! We can rationalise all we want, we still didn't learn. Witts is 209cm, not easy at stoggages and centre bounces. Levi did a good job against Nankervis, 19 hitouts, a number to advantage, the week before when called upon. May had an injury, looking for an excuse as to why Levi kicked 3 against him last year? If he has to play against Grundy, and I sincerely hope Kreuzer is fit as Levi isn't a true 1st ruck, he'll find 202cm easier to handle than 209. Hopefully he has help too this time. McKay had a good one in the VFL. Bring him in if we have too. Not only did we have Levi battle a bloke 11cm taller, he had no help plus it left us without a tall target forward. Team selection was abominable. Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - cookie2 - 04-02-2018 @laj Grundy is a handful for even the best opposing ruckman so I'm praying we aren't relying on Levi. Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - cookie2 - 04-02-2018 Bowes offered one week . Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 04-02-2018 (04-01-2018, 12:31 PM)LP link Wrote:Yes, I watched the 21 year old in his second ever game play as the undersized lead up forward role against a back line with about 700 games and at least two full seasons of experience. 13 possessions, 1.4 on the scoreboard with one of them being from twenty metres out directly in front, and forget Levi he isn't competing with him for a spot it's jack Silvagni. Gowers might make the grade but he's another one making up numbers. Your point about us flicking players is what this was for. He and his side were rubbish. @fly, our biggest issue is a lack of game time and experience together. Gold Coast don't have that issue where it counts. Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 04-02-2018 (04-02-2018, 06:38 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:13 possessions, 1.4 on the scoreboard with one of them being from twenty metres out directly in front, and forget Levi he isn't competing with him for a spot it's jack Silvagni. You said it! Rubbish compared to who, us? Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast - Lods - 04-02-2018 (04-01-2018, 11:02 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I didn't bring it up first. These opinions aren't mutually exclusive. I don't think Bolton will be gone in the short term....but what I am suggesting is that the time has now come when he will be judged by "his" performance. As Kruds points out....The reality is that any of our coaches since the turn of the century would be very much under the pump after two seasons and two games if this was the state of play. Because we publicly made such a big deal about a rebuild, and a new approach it has had the effect of delaying that scrutiny on Bolton ...I've always thought that was a clever tactic. But if results continue to be poor as the season progresses the microscope will become more focused on aspects of team selection, match-ups and match day tactics....and as head coach the buck stops with Bolton. I suspect there will also be greater scrutiny on Silvagni's selections as well. So the pressure on the coach and list manager... It's not necessarily want I want to happen...It's what I believe will happen. I like Bolton. It's a fresh approach. ...but I also like a successful team and you only get a limited time to create that. I hope Bolton has a greater plan we're not actually fully understanding in terms of the team selections and tactics we're seeing at the moment...but the rate of improvement seems slow and if other teams are improving at a greater rate they'll be going past us. You can argue that the slow and steady rate of improvement is the better path for long term success but in terms of things like sponsorship, membership and importantly being seen as a destination club that will attract new talent I'm afraid I'm a bit skeptical. However it's not all doom and gloom...the season is two weeks old! The genie is out of the bottle but a couple of wins will shut up the doubters and stick him right back in there. ![]() |