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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 06-08-2021

(06-08-2021, 12:14 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:I just want to point out, that for an extremely infectious virus and pandemic prompting roughly 5 months worth of lockdowns and restrictions to life in Melbourne our virus numbers and threat doesn't quite measure up 1.5 years into this.

Thats not to say that covid isn't a killer, but the reaction may not be commensurate with the threat said virus poses.
Unfortunately, I think the actions and reactions are a function of the behaviour of the virus and the behaviour of society.

Melbourne is has become a bit notorious in the anti-vaxxer / anti-masker stakes, and that sort of socialist behaviour (almost social fascism) is highlighted by the post from [member=122]Mav[/member]

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 06-08-2021

(06-08-2021, 12:17 AM)LP link Wrote:Unfortunately, I think the actions and reactions are a function of the behaviour of the virus and the behaviour of society.

Melbourne is has become a bit notorious in the anti-vaxxer / anti-masker stakes.

Even so that would mean covid should be running riot and it isn't.  Im hearing people who initially took this very seriously turn around and scoff at it now.

For the most part they make valid observations.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 06-08-2021

(06-08-2021, 12:19 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Even so that would mean covid should be running riot and it isn't.  Im hearing people who initially took this very seriously turn around and scoff at it now.

For the most part they make valid observations.
[member=105]Thryleon[/member]‍ isn't that a confusion of cause and effect, the observation must fit the order of real world events?

I hear a lot of people hurting, but it's not easy to say who must pay the price for this, who volunteers, it seems 'the they' always want to blame the other.

But just as "We are Carlton", ............... "We are Melbourne" and "We are Australia", our current circumstance is a compounding of Federal, State and Social issues.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 06-08-2021

We had nigh on 800 deaths in Victoria before it was brought under control by lockdowns and the like. The UK, US and most recently India show what uncontrolled spread can do.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 06-08-2021

(06-08-2021, 12:28 AM)Mav date Wrote:We had nigh on 800 deaths in Victoria before it was brought under control by lockdowns and the like. The UK, US and most recently India show what uncontrolled spread can do.
Yes, but uncontrolled is the critical term, in fairness to [member=105]Thryleon[/member]‍ it's fair to question the amplitude of the Victorian response as long as we get the order and magnitude of events correct.

I note there are aspects of the anti-lockdown debate that get the cause and effect and amplitude of viral transmission wrong, and that can be critical in assessing what level of action is necessary. The problem being of course that the Sars-CoV-2 R[sub]0[/sub] remains substantial and well beyond influenza or other commonly experienced viral infections. If you release restrictions, Sars-CoV-2 is not like Influenza, Sars-Cov_2 is far far worse. It only appears like Influenza at the moment because of the restrictions, not in spite of them!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 06-08-2021

But we can’t be too cute in trying to pare back the controls to the bone. Better to be too tough than too lenient. I’m sure there are people who would say that lockdowns weren’t really needed to address the rising body count in Victoria. Maybe we just needed to ramp up contact tracing and stand 2m apart rather than 1.5m.

The deficiency in contact tracing has been demonstrated by this latest outbreak. Covid was spiking but the carriers hadn’t tested positive or sought medical treatment. Contact tracers had nothing to trace.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-08-2021

(06-08-2021, 12:14 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I just want to point out, that for an extremely infectious virus and pandemic prompting roughly 5 months worth of lockdowns and restrictions to life in Melbourne our virus numbers and threat doesn't quite measure up 1.5 years into this.

Thats not to say that covid isn't a killer, but the reaction may not be commensurate with the threat said virus poses.
Fair points Thry, and as you would know well it's not like hospital ER's and ICU's are full of Covid or respitory illness patients at the minute.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 06-08-2021

(06-08-2021, 01:31 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Fair points Thry, and as you would know well it's not like hospital ER's and ICU's are full of Covid or respitory illness patients at the minute.
[member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ is that as a result of or in spite of lockdown?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-08-2021

(06-08-2021, 01:32 AM)LP link Wrote:[member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ is that as a result of or in spite of lockdown?
All I know is that it's just normal business in those areas, lockdown always reduces road and workplace accidents as you would expect.
Re: Contact tracing... NSW use trained health care staff to supervise and conduct strategy with most of their tracing teams.As you would expect when there is a measles outbreak those cases are traced and hence you need a level of health care experience when questioning and asking about symptoms etc. NSW have resourced these areas better and hence have the better system.
Victoria cut funding a while back and don't have enough trained health care staff.When the pandemic hit we were under manned and couldn't cope,paying peanuts means monkeys and the Vic Government have dropped the ball on contact tracing with its under resourcing.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 06-08-2021

(06-08-2021, 12:28 AM)Mav link Wrote:We had nigh on 800 deaths in Victoria before it was brought under control by lockdowns and the like. The UK, US and most recently India show what uncontrolled spread can do.

Even without covid 99% of them would be dead by now. It's the same as the vaccine blood clot argument.