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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-01-2021
You need people paying private to take the load off the public system. Its a balancing act, the private system also provides technologies the public can't afford but can access. The private system also trains the next group of specialists under the guidance of what are usually the better skilled private specialists learning the latest techniques.
If you want a fully public system of quality then the government need to double the funding to the public system and charge joe average more medicare levy.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - tonyo - 02-01-2021
(02-01-2021, 12:55 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:You need people paying private to take the load off the public system. Its a balancing act, the private system also provides technologies the public can't afford but can access. The private system also trains the next group of specialists under the guidance of what are usually the better skilled private specialists learning the latest techniques.Sorry, I don't agree that the Private health system is more advanced than the Public in this country . The Private system tends to pick and choose what sort of healthcare it provides based on what is financially sustainable, for example it is happy to do knee repairs on footballers because the outcome (and hence the cost) is very predictable. But when it comes to things like little old ladies with broken hips, they tend to shy away simply because it is more difficult healthcare to provide and manage (they send these patients down to the Public hospital who are glad to admit them immediately as 'private' patients).
If you want a fully public system of quality then the government need to double the funding to the public system and charge joe average more medicare levy.
Many Private medicos still work in the Public system, since this is where they are more likely to have access to cutting-edge technology and research. Governments love buying the latest gizmos (the bigger the better), simply because it gives the pollies a chance to stand next to it on the Sunday news. Privates won't invest until they know they will make money out of it.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - PaulP - 02-01-2021
(02-01-2021, 12:55 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:You need people paying private to take the load off the public system. Its a balancing act, the private system also provides technologies the public can't afford but can access. The private system also trains the next group of specialists under the guidance of what are usually the better skilled private specialists learning the latest techniques.
If you want a fully public system of quality then the government need to double the funding to the public system and charge joe average more medicare levy.
They could just tax the top 1% properly and pay for it that way. No need for Joe Average to be charged anymore.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 02-01-2021
An investment in healthcare and education is an investment in society.
Anyone who thinks otherwise about those things, needs to really have a good hard think about what type of country they want to live in, and what it could look like if everything becomes a matter of survival of the fittest.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-01-2021
(02-01-2021, 01:15 AM)tonyo link Wrote:Sorry, I don't agree that the Private health system is more advanced than the Public in this country . The Private system tends to pick and choose what sort of healthcare it provides based on what is financially sustainable, for example it is happy to do knee repairs on footballers because the outcome (and hence the cost) is very predictable. But when it comes to things like little old ladies with broken hips, they tend to shy away simply because it is more difficult healthcare to provide and manage (they send these patients down to the Public hospital who are glad to admit them immediately as 'private' patients).Have to disagree, you get cross over with extreme specialty areas like neurosurgery as they are in short supply and work in teams
Many Private medicos still work in the Public system, since this is where they are more likely to have access to cutting-edge technology and research. Governments love buying the latest gizmos (the bigger the better), simply because it gives the pollies a chance to stand next to it on the Sunday news. Privates won't invest until they know they will make money out of it.
in both systems but in other areas you get grad doctors and grad specialists in the public system and thats the B grade team.
Example, my daughter needed reconstructive hand surgery after a dog attack left one of her hands mutilated.
The plastics team at a Western Suburb public hospital fecked up the repair as well as failing to deal with the infection that had set in due to the delay in being treated, the grad specialist said it could wait a couple of days...?
End result was we had to take her to a City based Private Group of Hand Surgeons on referral, only they had the micro surgery skill level to repair the nerve/tendon damage and deal with the infection, one of her fingers is now shorter but at least she has a working hand.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 02-01-2021
(02-01-2021, 02:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:End result was we had to take her to a City based Private Group of Hand Surgeons on referral, only they had the micro surgery skill level to repair the nerve/tendon damage and deal with the infection, one of her fingers is now shorter but at least she has a working hand.Had a similar experience with our youngest when he got hit in the forehead by a flying debris from a Vicroads mower.
But I've heard the other side as well, I've been told stories from critical patient transport staff that will tell you the Private Hospital will take their pick of cases for top dollars, but when some things go bad they ship the trouble patients off to the public system anyway.
But it doesn't really make much difference, Public in Private, Private in Public, what matters is access to the care.
What I do not like the idea of very wealthy taking a spot on the queue from a public patient, when they can fund care themselves and set a schedule outside the system. I've a friend who works in council and private sector home care social services, she had a wealthy patient she would roll up to bathe and take for outings funded on the council purse, that would have his chauffeur drive them in his Rolls to go shopping for new clothes while he waited for his turn at a publicly funded hospital procedure! This happens more than people think, and it stems from a why should I pay attitude when I can get it free.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 02-01-2021
(01-31-2021, 08:09 AM)PaulP link Wrote:https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-loses-lead-impeachment-lawyers-a-week-before-trial-20210131-p56y6o.htmlImpeachment only leads to a political trial, not a criminal one. But if you were to compare it to a criminal trial, the best analogy would be a crime boss who has bribed all 12 jurors and hardly has any need for a good lawyer. Trump knows that 17 Republican Senators won’t vote to convict. He just needs someone to put on a show to keep his base happy. And the best lawyers don’t want to breach their ethical obligations by doing so.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - PaulP - 02-01-2021
(02-01-2021, 02:49 AM)Mav link Wrote:Impeachment only leads to a political trial, not a criminal one. But if you were to compare it to a criminal trial, the best analogy would be a crime boss who has bribed all 12 jurors and hardly has any need for a good lawyer. Trump knows that 17 Republican Senators won’t vote to convict. He just needs someone to put on a show to keep his base happy. And the best lawyers don’t want to breach their ethical obligations by doing so.
Yes, fair points Mav.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 02-01-2021
If Trump wanted the best legal defence, I reckon he should highlight the pre-planning by extremist groups including the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers. If extremists had planned a violent insurrection before Trump’s rally had occurred, his rhetoric at the rally was irrelevant to their actions.
Of course, the extremists were like special forces who needed the regular army alongside to provide the sheer manpower required to overwhelm Capitol Security. And Trump delivered that to them in spades. But the more important reason not to run this line of defence is that Trump doesn’t want to be seen as lagging in his own most hardline supporters when he doesn’t have to do so given he won’t be convicted. Why risk political blowback from his own base?
Politically, he’d be better off trying to use the trial as a way of spreading the stop the steal lie and complaining about being silenced when the impeachment managers try to shut that down for being irrelevant to the article of impeachment.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 02-01-2021
Apparently the Washington Post beat me to the punch. Josh Dawsey reports the lead lawyers withdrew when Trump insisted they relitigate his election fraud claims.