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Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Thryleon - 09-11-2024
I think generics of small forward roles is a problem.
If you look at how each player covers the ground it tells a different story.
Motlop for example spent 90% of his time in defensive half and 10% forward half so you can blame him for not being able to crumb, but not when he wasn't there.
Durdin by contrast spent 100% of his time forward half. So he would have struggled with the ball getting to his end of the ground same as the key forwards. In marking contests was he trying to get to the feet? Out the back? Stretching the opposition defense? None of that really. Maybe just a decoy everyone ignored.
Fantasia spent his role 40% in defensive half and 60% forward.
To me this is more an example of their individual work rate and why putting them in the same boat isn't fair.
This is according to the heat maps. So what happened?
Was motlop burning his chips defensively and not working offensively?
Did motlop follow his man back too much?
Was durdin moonlighting as a full forward?
Or was he stuck forward with the others (not sure where he was for our 56 forward entries but thats a different story.
Was fantasia working up and down or used as a bit of a spare parts man?
All in all our MC failed in one respect. Without owies there Kennedy should have played his role. Owies isn't quick, Kennedy is a better mark and probably our third best finisher if not fourth.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 09-11-2024
(09-11-2024, 03:24 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:…
If you look at how each player covers the ground it tells a different story.
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This is according to the heat maps. So what happened?
Heat maps show where players had disposals, not where they were running.
In fact, 90% of Motlop’s disposals were in defence, 40% of Fantasia’s were in defence and all four of Durdin’s disposals were in the forward line. You’d have to look at the GPS data to see how much time they spent in attack and defence.
Putting that to one side, your point about them having different roles is correct. Fantasia generally has the link up role that Cottrell does so well and he had a defensive role on Zorko for some time. Motlop usually gets back in defence but Durdin rarely goes beyond the wing.
I don’t know if the distance covered stats are published anywhere but I suspect that they would show considerable variation.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 09-11-2024
(09-11-2024, 04:05 AM)DJC link Wrote:Heat maps show where players had disposals, not where they were running.
In fact, 90% of Motlop’s disposals were in defence, 40% of Fantasia’s were in defence and all four of Durdin’s disposals were in the forward line. You’d have to look at the GPS data to see how much time they spent in attack and defence.
Putting that to one side, your point about them having different roles is correct. Fantasia generally has the link up role that Cottrell does so well and he had a defensive role on Zorko for some time. Motlop usually gets back in defence but Durdin rarely goes beyond the wing.
I don’t know if the distance covered stats are published anywhere but I suspect that they would show considerable variation.
Agree. You have to know exactly what a player’s role is in order to make criticism of how well he’s performing it. Skills execution is obvious on the other hand.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 09-11-2024
(09-11-2024, 04:12 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Agree. You have to know exactly what a player’s role is in order to make criticism of how well he’s performing it. Skills execution is obvious on the other hand.For me it was Motlops fumbles that struck a cord with me.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 09-11-2024
(09-11-2024, 04:15 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:For me it was Motlops fumbles that struck a cord with me.Yep and he seemed to get caught with the ball a lot.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 09-11-2024
(09-11-2024, 04:19 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Yep and he seemed to get caught with the ball a lot.Best we just move on from 2024 Cookie.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-11-2024
At least Motlop gets the ball to fumble it, Durdin keeps his clangars to a minimum by not getting the ball ...
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 09-11-2024
(09-11-2024, 04:29 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:At least Motlop gets the ball to fumble it, Durdin keeps his clangars to a minimum by not getting the ball ...And yet I have a little more faith in Durdin than Motlop but that's not saying much as their bars arent high.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-11-2024
(09-11-2024, 04:32 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:And yet I have a little more faith in Durdin than Motlop but that's not saying much as their bars arent high.I'd be looking at moving on from all our small forwards bar Owies...but they are contracted and no one will trade for them..
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 09-11-2024
(09-11-2024, 04:38 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I'd be looking at moving on from all our small forwards bar Owies...but they are contracted and no one will trade for them..Agreed but ironically it may be Owies that goes.