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Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - Thryleon - 08-30-2023
(08-30-2023, 11:22 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Further to the above....
2023 - 275.206 - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/2023s.html
2022 - 268.208 - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/2022s.html
2021 - 250.201 - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/2021s.html
Not sure where you get your stats from, but AFLTABLES should be where you start.
(08-30-2023, 11:18 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I've got something that explains the difference. Human error.
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/carlton/season.html
2023 - 275.272.1922
2022 - 268.249.1857
2021 - 250.246.1746
I generally use AFL tables as a rule for historic purposes.
Thing is though, your stats contradict each other somewhat.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - DJC - 08-31-2023
(08-30-2023, 11:18 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I've got something that explains the difference. Human error.
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/carlton/season.html
2023 - 275.272.1922
2022 - 268.249.1857
2021 - 250.246.1746
I used the figures from a different page - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/2023s.html - and they're wrong. I suspect those tables don't count rushed behinds :
And I copied one number incorrectly :-[
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - LP - 08-31-2023
Readers can see why you need to be very careful using stats, it's all in the definition and you cannot assume anything, you can't even assume the terms used mean the same thing to you and whoever compiled the stats.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - Lods - 08-31-2023
Lot's of variables in discussing goalkicking accuracy.
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You can kick 30 goals-30 behinds....and they will tell you it's bad kicking
And it was on that day Rnd 2 1969 against Hawthorn
Because only one of those behinds was 'rushed' according to the tables ;D
(one dodgy, unskilled player in particular kicked 6-12)
On the other hand we kicked 9-20 against GWS in Rnd 3 this year and 8 out of the 20 behinds were rushed.
Then there's the shots that miss everything :
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - kruddler - 08-31-2023
(08-30-2023, 10:57 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:I generally use AFL tables as a rule for historic purposes.
Thing is though, your stats contradict each other somewhat.
I didnt think i needed to spell it out, but apparantly i do.
First list was total goals and total behinds per year.
Second list was total goals and behinds kicked by us......that is, excluding rushed behinds. So can see how many rushed behinds there are.
There is no contradiction. Just misunderstanding.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - DJC - 10-25-2023
I just had a quick look at our 2022 and 2023 goalkickers:
2022 - Key forwards 126, Small/medium forwards 72, Midfielders 61, Rucks 4, Defenders 5
2023 - Key forwards 124, Small/medium forwards 101, Midfielders 63, Rucks 9, Defenders 9
The figures are a bit rubbery as players change roles and I've treated Silvagni as a key forward rather than a ruck, but the increased efficiency of our small and medium forwards was significant in 2023. Crippa's output dropped from 20 to 9 but his midfield teammates more than picked up the slack.
Our gameplan and personnel are very different to Collingwood's and that is reflected in their 2023 goal kicking breakdown:
Key forwards 88, Small/medium forwards 109, Midfielders 101, Rucks 32, Defenders 4
However, it would be great if we could get more of a contribution from our rucks and midfielders.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - Gointocarlton - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 06:39 AM)DJC link Wrote:I just had a quick look at our 2022 and 2023 goalkickers:Interesting, thanks for that DJ
2022 - Key forwards 126, Small/medium forwards 72, Midfielders 61, Rucks 4, Defenders 5
2023 - Key forwards 124, Small/medium forwards 101, Midfielders 63, Rucks 9, Defenders 9
The figures are a bit rubbery as players change roles and I've treated Silvagni as a key forward rather than a ruck, but the increased efficiency of our small and medium forwards was significant in 2023. Crippa's output dropped from 20 to 9 but his midfield teammates more than picked up the slack.
Our gameplan and personnel are very different to Collingwood's and that is reflected in their 2023 goal kicking breakdown:
Key forwards 88, Small/medium forwards 109, Midfielders 101, Rucks 32, Defenders 4
However, it would be great if we could get more of a contribution from our rucks and midfielders.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - DJC - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 09:24 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Interesting, thanks for that DJ
What those figures do show is that our forwards - tall, medium and small - are the least of our worries.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - Thryleon - 10-25-2023
I dont think we have too many worries.
The challenge for us isn't about ability anymore, it's about consistency and continuity. If we can get a decent run with injuries this season, we'll give the flag a red hot shake.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - DJC - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 11:40 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I dont think we have too many worries.
The challenge for us isn't about ability anymore, it's about consistency and continuity. If we can get a decent run with injuries this season, we'll give the flag a red hot shake.
Yes, that’s true Thry.
A greater contribution from our mids and rucks would make life easier for our forwards though.
Adding Schultz or Papley to our list wouldn’t address a deficiency.