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Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - madbluboy - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 05:58 AM)LP link Wrote:Have I missed something, what are the numbers counting?
If it's some overall rating, how is it calculated?
I'm a bit dubious, because I notice some players who have missed games through injury seem to be negative, that suggests someone has made a oopsy in calculating averages. For example, game for game Walsh came back in and went to the top of the Carlton ratings tree.
They have the games played. It's interactive and won't let me copy and paste.
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - madbluboy - 05-25-2023
Weitering 2022: 9.6 Above Average, 2023: 10.2 Above Average +6%
Young 2022: 10.7 Above Average, 2023: 9.9 Above Average -8%
Pittonet 2022: 9.5 Average, 2023: 9.2 Average
TDK: 2022: 9.9 Average, 2023: 8.8 Below Average -11%
SOJ: 2022: 9.3 Above Average: 2022: 7.8 Average -16%
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - LP - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 06:03 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:It's an AFL rating...........I get that, an AFL rating of what?
For example, see the attached image of FinalSiren averages for Walsh to date.
[img width=750]https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6411.0;attach=1343[/img]
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - LP - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 06:09 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:Weitering 2022: 9.6 Above Average, 2023: 10.2 Above Average +6%Not directed at you [member=26]madbluboy[/member], now we know it's a rubbish rating, anyone who has invented a stat that shows Weiters and Young in better shape for 2023 than 2022 is a lunatic!
Young 2022: 10.7 Above Average, 2023: 9.9 Above Average -8%
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - madbluboy - 05-25-2023
C Durdin: 2022: 6.4 Average, 2023: 7.8 Average +21%
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - kruddler - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 06:09 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Weitering 2022: 9.6 Above Average, 2023: 10.2 Above Average +6%
Young 2022: 10.7 Above Average, 2023: 9.9 Above Average -8%
Pittonet 2022: 9.5 Average, 2023: 9.2 Average
TDK: 2022: 9.9 Average, 2023: 8.8 Below Average -11%
SOJ: 2022: 9.3 Above Average: 2022: 7.8 Average -16%
Thanks. Thats pretty much exactly as i expected.
Thought we were being too harsh on Weiters....and not harsh enough on Young.
Knew SOJ was down and thought our 2 rucks were the same, was suprised to see TDK down
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - DJC - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 05:15 AM)LP link Wrote:Should that 13th for turnovers be a red or a green, are they opposition turnovers or our turnovers?
We’ve had fewer turnovers than 12 other teams and 13th for turnovers gets a green.
It’s all a bit circular though; getting so many marks and good disposal efficiency means fewer turnovers. Fewer inside 50s means fewer marks, goals and tackles inside 50 - although our forward line is efficient.
Rebound 50s and bounces aren’t really dependent on other factors and they’re probably critical measures for us.
Saad is way off last year’s form, Doc is spending more time in the midfield and we’re missing Williams.
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - madbluboy - 05-25-2023
For a few players they include rankings for kicking, marking, 1 on 1 contests etc. I will provide some tonight on topics.
Summary for me is the midfield has gone to poop. Cripps is only average, Kennedy and Hewett are below average.
(05-25-2023, 06:09 AM)LP link Wrote:I get that, an AFL rating of what?
For example, see the attached image of FinalSiren averages for Walsh to date.
[img width=750]https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6411.0;attach=1343[/img]
The ratings compare them to other players. You can be a gun but if there are lot of people better than you then you might only be average.
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - Lods - 05-25-2023
(05-25-2023, 06:29 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:For a few players they include rankings for kicking, marking, 1 on 1 contests etc. I will provide some tonight on topics.
Summary for me is the midfield has gone to poop. Cripps is only average, Kennedy and Hewett are below average.
The ratings compare them to other players. You can be a gun but if there are lot of people better than you then you might only be average.
It's a bit like this....
A team can improve from the previous season....but if other teams improve at a greater rate than you and go past you then your wins and ladder position might actually go backwards.
I still think any ranking that uses a players output over a 22 game season is pretty dubious.
Just as an example...everyone points to the fact that Cripps kicked 20 goals last season or that he won a Brownlow when comparing his 2022 and 2023 season. The majority of those goal and votes were built up in the first 11 games of 2022.
Carrying injuries, different roles, extra burdens all impact over a season.
Jack Silvagni was just about a 'dead man walking' by season's end (...and I mean a zombie not a death row guy) after the demands on him last year.
Re: Does anyone have access to advanced stats? - pinot - 05-25-2023
I know a stat we are a horrible team forward of centre.
..and because we are so bad this part of the game we need to defend much more than we would like.