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Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-18-2022
(06-18-2022, 07:12 AM)LP link Wrote:You cannot pick a team with a tape measure.Think you have to look at the opposition and where their strengths are and try and matchup accordingly, Darcy and Lobb are a big part of why Freo are going so well. Their midfield is very good but its fed by Darcy, and Lobb while not a great ruckman is a threat up forward because of his size and he does kick straight. The TDK/Jack partnership have over achieved but TDK is being asked to do a lot and Jack isnt getting the second stringers anymore as teams are playing their best ruckman more often when he is relieving TDK....its not working as it did and we need to change it up just like we cant leave Young stranded down back looking after Taberner and Lobb given he is the only real tall defender we have.
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - blueboys_1 - 06-18-2022
(06-18-2022, 08:37 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Think you have to look at the opposition and where their strengths are and try and matchup accordingly, Darcy and Lobb are a big part of why Freo are going so well. Their midfield is very good but its fed by Darcy, and Lobb while not a great ruckman is a threat up forward because of his size and he does kick straight. The TDK/Jack partnership have over achieved but TDK is being asked to do a lot and Jack isnt getting the second stringers anymore as teams are playing their best ruckman more often when he is relieving TDK....its not working as it did and we need to change it up just like we cant leave Young stranded down back looking after Taberner and Lobb given he is the only real tall defender we have.Watched the 2nds game on Friday night and was impresed by Mirkov with a couple of things that he did, a volloyball swat at the ball to knock it out of bounds, and a gather and handball over the pack to a free teammate, however apart from those 2 highligts he did not do much else. Personally I think he is still 12 -18 months away from been ready for his AFL debut.
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - kruddler - 06-18-2022
(06-18-2022, 07:12 AM)LP link Wrote:You cannot pick a team with a tape measure.You can lose a game by ignoring one.
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - LP - 06-18-2022
(06-18-2022, 08:37 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Darcy and Lobb are a big part of why Freo are going so well.I understand [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] , but at this stage Mirkov would be a traffic cone to them in the midfield and mostly useless elsewhere on the field. I'd rather play SoJ as a 2nd ruck and have Kemp in D50 and I'm not even sure Kemp is a defender of any note, but at least he can play some useful role across the field.
Last night Mirkov played against a guy who basically barely got a gig because his club's ruck division was then in worse state than our current defence situation, and Mirkov just broke even!
Expecting Mirkov to come in and not actually be a handicap is unreasonable, he may even get in our way more than he helps! Of course I hope I am completely wrong and he comes in and earns a Rising Star nomination!
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Gointocarlton - 06-18-2022
I think with the ruck situation, TDK is competing admirably virtually playing a lone hand. This year will be huge for his development and will come out the other side a far better ruckman. SOS has given him a chop out but realistically isn't anywhere near even a second string ruckman. I think MIrkov, even with his limited experience, is huge and will at least get his hands close to the ball and give the opposition ruckman something to think about. Again abit like the TDK situation, give him a taste for the sake of his development and necessity, it can't hurt given where we are.
Martin must go out injured or not.
Durdin must stay in, IMO it's Owies spot in the side that would be under more scrutiny.
It will come down to match ups I guess, it will be interesting to see if the two big WA bulls in Cripps and Fyfe go head to head, what a sight to see.
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Thryleon - 06-18-2022
Owies is doing ok. I know he didn't have the highlights last week, but you can't simply drop a bloke at the first sign of trouble.
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - kruddler - 06-19-2022
(06-18-2022, 01:40 PM)LP link Wrote:I understand [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] , but at this stage Mirkov would be a traffic cone to them in the midfield and mostly useless elsewhere on the field. I'd rather play SoJ as a 2nd ruck and have Kemp in D50 and I'm not even sure Kemp is a defender of any note, but at least he can play some useful role across the field.I think you are misreading the situation.
Last night Mirkov played against a guy who basically barely got a gig because his club's ruck division was then in worse state than our current defence situation, and Mirkov just broke even!
Expecting Mirkov to come in and not actually be a handicap is unreasonable, he may even get in our way more than he helps! Of course I hope I am completely wrong and he comes in and earns a Rising Star nomination!
Nobody is expecting him to dominate the ruck. TBH, i'm not even expecting him to break even......but i just hope he can get very close too.
The benefit of taking a hit in the ruck, is it gives us some chance of getting some height/talent in the backline and ultimately give us a chance of holding them to a reasonable score.
Simply having the ability to have TDK sitting in the hole for a game immediately makes us a better side.
He can intercept mark if the high ball comes in and he will force leads to go wide to the boundary, resulting in poorer shots on goal, and lesser conversion.
Its not about him becoming a dominant back, its giving them some hope.
Having a telephone pole who can jump being somewhat of a sacrificial lamb in the ruck allows all this to happen.
Hey, if Mirkov breaks even in the ruck. Bonus.
If he wins it, brilliant!
All we need is someone to try and compete in the ruck.
If we could use a wacky waving, inflatable arm flailing tube man, i would!
FWIW....one of these guys....
https://www.youtube.com/v/rHXvMcLrLSY
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - pinot - 06-19-2022
Mirkov barely broke even against Sweet in the ruck. I don't think we need to rush him - coming along nicely but he is a big bloke and needs another pre season imo
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - LoveNavy - 06-19-2022
Whatever we do it needs to maximise our current strengths whilst covering the weaknesses. Matchups will be vital IMO.
Switkowski out may be helpful. Fredricks is a tricky matchup. Not sure how Fyfe will influence their set up. With a bit of luck, dare I use that word, it creates a temporary readjustment that we can take advantage of. As we know, games can be really set up q1.
Creativity by mc and coaches, may just give us an edge against an in form freo. As may playing at home. I hope their neighbour Nathan22 isn't umpiring. Although he was good recently he crucified us in WA last year.
Go Blues
Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-19-2022
(06-18-2022, 12:04 PM)blueboys_1 link Wrote:Watched the 2nds game on Friday night and was impresed by Mirkov with a couple of things that he did, a volloyball swat at the ball to knock it out of bounds, and a gather and handball over the pack to a free teammate, however apart from those 2 highligts he did not do much else. Personally I think he is still 12 -18 months away from been ready for his AFL debut.He probably isnt ready but as Krud pointed out in his post(26) expectations are low and its more to allow TDK to fill that hole down back and also provides TDK with some type of proper rest after banging bodies with Darcy and Lobb .
We all love Jack and he has been great but as what happened with Shaun Grigg teams began to change tactics and took advantage of the size difference by playing either two genuine rucks or rucking their senior rucks against him and apart from the obvious losing the ruck contests there is a fair chance Jack will get hurt vs the giants like Darcy and we are doing a young man like TDK no favours either by asking him to play so many minutes onball and its denying us of his abilities down forward as well.
Players often lift when playing senior footy and I think Mirkov might be similar to Ned Reeves of Hawthorn who was very raw but has acquitted himself well at senior level..