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Re: 9/11 Debate - kruddler - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 12:27 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Yeah right.The NIST report has so many errors in it that are 'tweaked to try and cover up what really happened. Even if there was no tweaking..it still has so many errors.
80 plus floors were not even impacted by the plane.....
That's really poor for a scientist.
By the by, even the NIST report concurs that a minimum 90% of the fuel load was expended outside the building ie in the explosion during impact.
What energy source then brought the building down in next to free fall speed?
Heard of the law of conservation of momentum?
That's not even addressing the symmetry of descent, the vapour point of jet fuel and the melting temperature of treated steel......
@lp
You reckon its been debunked, show me your evidence. I'll point out the inaccuracies in it for you.
Re: 9/11 Debate - LP - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 12:32 AM)kruddler date Wrote:The NIST report has so many errors in it that are 'tweaked to try and cover up what really happened. Even if there was no tweaking..it still has so many errors.Nah, not going over that ground again, the myths persist longer than the facts.
@lp
You reckon its been debunked, show me your evidence. I'll point out the inaccuracies in it for you.
We all know fairy-tales from 400 years ago, will take some to our grave with great accuracy, but finding out facts about real world events is almost impossible because the vast bulk of what we read is painted by opinion not data. Humanity is far to too fallible.
The stuff isn't meant to last, it's built to a price, we can't even assume the metallurgy in those towers was the same as the day they were built. We know now just a trace element in that steel can form an irreparable defect over time, just like the Westgate Bridge, similar vintage. And no modern building built today can withstand a large fraction of it collapsing down on itself, not one. The pyramids have lasted a thousand years pretty much untouched externally, there is hardly a skyscraper built today that would survive 100 without regular maintenance, just like our bridges which are constructed to an even tighter standards than a building.
Re: 9/11 Debate - LP - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 12:22 AM)kruddler date Wrote:Apparently YOU can.So it's all black and white for you then? :o
Listen to the people who designed them, architects and engineers. THEY are the ones who have done the research.
Stop arguing about something you havn't seen.
All I can comment on is what specialists and scientists have reported, I'm not an engineer and won't pretend to be one from my armchair, neither are most architects they employ engineers to do the math for them.
The universal consensus doesn't really exist amongst the experts as some would like to think, but you can get that perception by choosing who to believe or cherry-picking the data.
Re: 9/11 Debate - kruddler - 03-19-2021
So you say it's a conspiracy and there is proof.
I ask for evidence because I want to read it and you say no.
I on the other hand, with others, says it's bs and here is why....and you refuse to entertain the idea.
You can lead a horse to water...
I'll get the screen and the shotgun...
Re: 9/11 Debate - LP - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 12:52 AM)kruddler date Wrote:So you say it's a conspiracy and there is proof.I didn't say there was a conspiracy, I said there were various hypothesis.
Come back when your less grumpy and more likely to post sensibly.
Re: 9/11 Debate - kruddler - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 12:48 AM)LP link Wrote:So it's all black and white for you then? :o
All I can comment on is what specialists and scientists have reported, I'm not an engineer and won't pretend to be one from my armchair, neither are most architects they employ engineers to do the math for them.
The universal consensus doesn't really exist amongst the experts as some would like to think.
Both architects and engineers are in agreeance as was clearly stated in the post you quoted suggesting otherwise.
You COULD comment on the link... but you won't. Got a touch of the fonzies have you and mav.
I'm trying to learn what the other side thinks...and am getting nothing back.
I'll give air time to any competing theories and am happy to educate myself on such matters.
I once watched a flat earth doco to see what logic they used. Best comedy I've seen in ages.
Re: 9/11 Debate - kruddler - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 12:56 AM)LP link Wrote:I didn't say there was a conspiracy, I said there were various hypothesis.Yes there are....and the one trotted out to the public is completely wrong.
Come back when your less grumpy and more likely to post sensibly.
....and I havnet even started on the non twin towers inaccuracies....
And I'm completely well fine thanks for caring.
Re: 9/11 Debate - LP - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 01:00 AM)kruddler date Wrote:Yes there are....and the one trotted out to the public is completely wrong.I generally don't offer the conspiracies trotted out by think tanks, I won't offer "evidence or opinion" from such entities, because much of it is worthless or selectively distorted.
....and I havnet even started on the non twin towers inaccuracies....
And I'm completely well fine thanks for caring.
I prefer to discuss the un-doctored reports posted by authorities through authorised channels and verified by collegiate entities like universities or research organisations. If Cambridge, Oxford, CSIRO or Harvard come out as an entity and state these people are onto something, I'll take notice.
And I apply the same applies for COVID-19 disease or vaccine, I don't change tactic dependant on the subject matter or personal preference!
Re: 9/11 Debate - kruddler - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 01:07 AM)LP link Wrote:I prefer to discuss the un-doctored reports posted by authorities through authorised channels and verified by collegiate entities like universities or research organisationsIf you find one, let me know.
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And I apply the same applies for COVID-19 disease or vaccine, I don't change tactic dependant on the subject matter or personal preference!
The videos show that the report used was presented 2 days after the incident.
Full and thorough you reckon?
I don't change tact either. I question things and don't believe what the government says because the government said it.
Re: 9/11 Debate - LP - 03-19-2021
(03-19-2021, 01:19 AM)kruddler date Wrote:The videos show that the report used was presented 2 days after the incident.Is CSIRO government? That's news to a lot of the leftish researchers working there, funded partially by Federal government no doubt, partially by State government too, and partially by private enterprise or foundations, but that is only partial funding of course! It will be hard to find one that speaks kindly of the government, any government for that matter, and good luck silencing or distorting their research for political or social engineering purposes and expecting them to stay quiet! :o
Full and thorough you reckon?
I don't change tact either. I question things and don't believe what the government says because the government said it.
I'm not commenting on the validity of the reports linked by yourself or others in earlier posts, as I mentioned I don't comment on Think Tank type reports or statements from interest groups as they are often politically or socially coloured.
I've made a general post discussing reports from seriously qualified individuals and organisations about scientific and engineering testing that just happens to coincidentally be very relevant to the specific 911 case. In general the CSIRO commentary was about how buildings fail under fire conditions, all types of building and all types of fire including combustible explosions. These studies often expose rules of physics or materials that can be universally applied, not just applied selectively in a very choice set of circumstances, but general global findings. Usually, such global findings occur in every instance, usually but not always. These specialists from all around the globe would be all over any systemic false reporting, followed by the mainstream and political media, but all you are hearing is crickets. It's a significant tell!