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Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - JonHenry - 02-18-2019
(02-18-2019, 01:24 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/25993761/afl-draft-doerre-reselecting-top-20-2015-draft
Harry will improve that position imho
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - DJC - 02-18-2019
(02-17-2019, 11:19 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:This.
A rose is a rose, and by another name would smell the same.
The rest is just spin. Perhaps he has more protection than the average contract, and is a permanent employee of the business, but a fixed term contract is no different to a regular contract.
I really don't get this view.
AFL coaches have a contract with their clubs that sets out the term of the contract, remuneration, criteria for terminating the contract and, probably, performance criteria. Bolton is employed by Carlton and both parties will have signed an employment agreement that specifies remuneration, superannuation, leave entitlements, sick leave and financial arrangements in the event of Carlton wishing to terminate Bolton's employment. Bolton's employment is subject to the federal industrial relations system, contracted AFL coaches aren't.
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - Sexybronco - 02-18-2019
(02-18-2019, 07:04 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Sorry, but hindsight analysis is utter crap.... And I don't rate his current predictions let alone him trawling through the past.
Weiters, Curnow and Harry were a great result from that draft. SOJ and Cunners are yet to make an impact although I do hold hope for both, SOJ has the smarts but needs to find a spot, Cunners needs a clear run to show what he's got. Can't complain about this draft result unlike countless others.
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - Thryleon - 02-18-2019
(02-18-2019, 09:05 AM)DJC link Wrote:I really don't get this view.
AFL coaches have a contract with their clubs that sets out the term of the contract, remuneration, criteria for terminating the contract and, probably, performance criteria. Bolton is employed by Carlton and both parties will have signed an employment agreement that specifies remuneration, superannuation, leave entitlements, sick leave and financial arrangements in the event of Carlton wishing to terminate Bolton's employment. Bolton's employment is subject to the federal industrial relations system, contracted AFL coaches aren't.
I've been a fixed term contractor before. There is minimal difference to contract term aside from leave benefits and even then sometimes contractors get provisions for that dependant on the contract.
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - DJC - 02-18-2019
(02-18-2019, 11:45 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I've been a fixed term contractor before. There is minimal difference to contract term aside from leave benefits and even then sometimes contractors get provisions for that dependant on the contract.
Fair enough - the industrial relations system that applies to all employees must be wrong
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - Opine - 02-18-2019
(02-18-2019, 11:45 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I've been a fixed term contractor before. There is minimal difference to contract term aside from leave benefits and even then sometimes contractors get provisions for that dependant on the contract.
In the context of Bolton's security of tenure, that minimal difference may be rather significant. An independent contractor isn't protected against unfair dismissal; best he hope for is monetary compensation for the remaining term of the breached agreement. On the other hand, an employee is afforded a protection against unfair dismissal; monetary or reinstatement.
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - jeza - 02-18-2019
(02-17-2019, 11:19 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:This.
A rose is a rose, and by another name would smell the same.
The rest is just spin. Perhaps he has more protection than the average contract, and is a permanent employee of the business, but a fixed term contract is no different to a regular contract.
Contracts mean nothing. If you're a coach and the team tanks the club will fire you no matter what contract you have in place. They will negotiate a settlement of course.
Bolton is a permanent employee with protections in his contract. If he gets fired he gets a payout. No different to a contract in reality. The benefit for everyone is there is no media hype about the impending end of a contract.
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - jeza - 02-19-2019
(02-18-2019, 10:39 AM)Sexybronco link Wrote:Weiters, Curnow and Harry were a great result from that draft. SOJ and Cunners are yet to make an impact although I do hold hope for both, SOJ has the smarts but needs to find a spot, Cunners needs a clear run to show what he's got. Can't complain about this draft result unlike countless others.
Agreed.
A bunch of the guys in that list were mature aged in the draft so that's kind of meaningless.
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - Thryleon - 02-19-2019
(02-18-2019, 10:28 PM)Opine link Wrote:In the context of Bolton's security of tenure, that minimal difference may be rather significant. An independent contractor isn't protected against unfair dismissal; best he hope for is monetary compensation for the remaining term of the breached agreement. On the other hand, an employee is afforded a protection against unfair dismissal; monetary or reinstatement.
If Carlton want to sack Bolton, no industrial relations will keep him in the job, and he will be paid out accordingly.
Part of this deal will be an exit strategy for both coach and club in the event it all goes pear shaped, and keeping someone in place that either party doesnt want to be there is a recipe for doom.
Re: Pelchen's permutations and prognostications - madbluboy - 02-19-2019
(02-18-2019, 11:15 PM)jeza link Wrote:Bolton is a permanent employee with protections in his contract.
I thought he had no contract?