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Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - Thryleon - 12-19-2022
(12-18-2022, 11:25 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Sorry, but the exhibited behaviour is indefensible at all levels and comparing other sports to what happened isn't a sound argument. What's with these bloody flares anyways? Never seen one of those at the AFL. Fancy blaming a player for what happened by pinging one back!?! There's an elephant in the room that won't be addressed - there's a section of these supporter bases that just doesn't get it. Never have, never will. It lead to clubs getting shut down in the past and I wonder if Victory, among others, is being seriously looked at.
Collingwood vs Carlton Millenium match was the last time I saw a Flare at an AFL game.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-22/tempers-flare-at-the-mcg-after-collingwood-and-carlton-game/101356288
That's a recent fight between fans, that was hidden under the table.
Not deflecting anything, but flares at the soccer is a massive cultural icon globally and only in Australia does it seem to be a huge problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8Vz7Kf0hE
People are idiots everywhere. Only the soccer gets focussed on here in this fashion. Regarding it going on too long... That was an assertion LP claimed like it happens frequently or all the time. The game was homogenised in 2004 and its ended up exactly where it started.
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - LP - 12-19-2022
[member=105]Thryleon[/member] you keep posting pseudo justifications because there was some dickhead somewhere else who did similar sometime ago!
If FA fans stop plastering over the bad behaviour and start to call it out, it might be a good start to stomping it out!
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - LP - 12-19-2022
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The good old Ultra Extremists, not an issue.
PS: For those who do not follow, they were protesting with flares after their club was banned / fined because of the racist behaviour of the same fans at earlier games! Yeah, a happy smiley culture! :
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - Professer E - 12-19-2022
One flare in 22 years, yep that's a massive problem compared to flares on what, a weekly basis?
Every boat in Victoria is supposed to carry flares as part of safety equipment, they're too easy to obtain and the penalties for incorrect use too light. You can't legislate human stupidity.
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - LP - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 01:25 AM)Professer E date Wrote:One flare in 22 years, yep that's a massive problem compared to flares on what, a weekly basis?Personally, I think the flares are only the excuse, to me that rioting crew on the video looked like the were cruising for a fight. They weren't there for football, they were there to cause trouble.
Every boat in Victoria is supposed to carry flares as part of safety equipment, they're too easy to obtain and the penalties for incorrect use too light. You can't legislate human stupidity.
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - northernblue - 12-19-2022
The mechanism for disposal of out of date flares is the local coast guard, or at least was when I got my boating license up there.
They are then supposed to be used for training and demonstration purposes.
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - kruddler - 12-19-2022
re flares...
You gotta be careful in what you say to crowds. If you say 'no flares allowed', its like a red rag to a bull, "oh, i should go get some flares, they can't tell me what to do!"
This is exactly what happened at the dutch F1 grand prix. The dutch wanted to bring all their orange flares to show national pride for reigning (and soon to be back to back) world champion. They were warned not to bring flares as it is a safety hazard (smoke goes on the track and drivers can't see!) but there ended up being more flares there than in the italian and german grand prixs during Schumachers successful stint at Ferrari.
So sure, come down hard on them and try and stamp it out, just be careful in HOW and WHAT you tell them, as its likely to exacerbate the situation rather than solve it.
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - DJC - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 01:14 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Collingwood vs Carlton Millenium match was the last time I saw a Flare at an AFL game.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-22/tempers-flare-at-the-mcg-after-collingwood-and-carlton-game/101356288
That's a recent fight between fans, that was hidden under the table.
Not deflecting anything, but flares at the soccer is a massive cultural icon globally and only in Australia does it seem to be a huge problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8Vz7Kf0hE
People are idiots everywhere. Only the soccer gets focussed on here in this fashion. Regarding it going on too long... That was an assertion LP claimed like it happens frequently or all the time. The game was homogenised in 2004 and its ended up exactly where it started.
Hidden under the table? That fracas got the coverage it deserved considering it involved a couple of tossers among a crowd of 80,000 generally well-behaved and very passionate supporters. The disgraceful scenes at the Melbourne derby involved 100s of spectators from a crowd of probably well south of 10,000.
Throwing flares is probably the most inconsequential poor behaviour. Invading the pitch, demolishing barriers, attempting to destroy the goals, assaulting a player, referee and cameraman and generally spoiling the game for legitimate fans is far worse.
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - Professer E - 12-19-2022
Yep, flares are a minor irritation c.f. invading the playing field and assaulting a player and officials. That's crossing a line that beggars belief.
Last time I was really shocked at crowd behaviour was the day the crowd wanted to take on Darren Milburn at PP...the atmosphere was like a dry field on a fire ban day while lightning cracked overhead.
Re: FFA shooting itself in the foot AGAIN - madbluboy - 12-19-2022
(12-19-2022, 04:33 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Yep, flares are a minor irritation c.f. invading the playing field and assaulting a player and officials. That's crossing a line that beggars belief.
Last time I was really shocked at crowd behaviour was the day the crowd wanted to take on Darren Milburn at PP...the atmosphere was like a dry field on a fire ban day while lightning cracked overhead.
I'd imagine if he threw a flare into the social club a few would have jumped the fence.