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Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-02-2018
Ben has decent height and is a good contested mark but thats where the story ends, no defensive game and no second efforts, very average playing for Vic metro too.
Chris Doerre alias Knightmare on Big Footy rates him though and reckons he will get picked up....CD now writes for ESPN Sports and his reviews are read by a lot of the recruiters who rate his work..
The fact he is a Silvagni gives him X factor, hope that he could be the real deal......my mine gripe when I have watched him is his lethargic, laconic approach...intensity isnt his strong point and he only really gets firing if there is a mark of the day opportunity.
There is also some talk/rumour that he doesnt have the dedication that Jack has or the other senior Silvagni's...rumour only....
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - Lods - 09-02-2018
(09-02-2018, 01:37 AM)LP link Wrote:Lods, that was basically a one off against an injury decimated squad!
That very game created a unrealistic expectation of SoJ from fans!
Maybe so
But Jack has had his share of senior games...and has shown a few good things.
What I'm looking for is some evidence that Ben is a better payer than Jack
Give me possessions and I'll shut up ;D
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - LP - 09-02-2018
(09-02-2018, 01:46 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:The fact he is a Silvagni gives him X factor, hope that he could be the real deal......my mine gripe when I have watched him is his lethargic, laconic approach...intensity isnt his strong point and he only really gets firing if there is a mark of the day opportunity.
This is why the Nathan Ablett analogy is so relevant.
(09-02-2018, 01:46 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:There is also some talk/rumour that he doesnt have the dedication that Jack has or the other senior Silvagni's...rumour only....
In fairness to BSoS, there are very few players who have the drive SoJ exhibits. It's that drive that allows SoJ to compete at AFL level, without it even having the best athleticism in the world means nothing! We are a long way from being in a position to carry a Nathan Ablett type!
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - LoveNavy - 09-02-2018
(09-01-2018, 08:51 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:The importance of a good VFL is demonstrated by the fact that AFL finalists Rich, Filth, Haw, Geel and Melb all have their VFL sides in finals also. Kind of makes our rise up the ladder look even tougher and further away.
In many ways you've described list depth.
Something we lack in spades. It's put under the spotlight further as a fiction of rebuild clean out processes.
That's why I was slightly bouyed by late NBs form.
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - jeza - 09-02-2018
Nathan Ablett and Jack have precisely zero to do with recruiting Ben.
The reason being - he's a different person.
If we're factoring in the experiences of other people when assessing a potential recruit we're the worst bunch of drooling imbeciles in the AFL. Ben played key position for Vic Metro then got injured early. Played mostly school footy and never really set the world on fire. Will he get drafted? He was rated really highly when he was 16ish before tailing off and those guys do tend to get picked up late.
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - LP - 09-02-2018
(09-02-2018, 03:07 AM)jeza link Wrote:Nathan Ablett and Jack have precisely zero to do with recruiting Ben.
They are perfect comparisons.
SoJ shows the difference good attitude can make in the absence of pure ability, nobody doubts his desire, effort or commitment to training and the contest. If he was a couple of yards faster he'd be a god send for Carlton!
Nathan Ablett shows what indifference does to performance, because despite having sheds loads of natural ability and athleticism he bombed under the scrutiny AFL brings!
FWIW, Nathan Ablett's trajectory into AFL very closely mirrors Ben Silvagni! Both of them had been lauded at U16 level, both of them were early growers and tall relative to their peers, both of them showed indifference or inconsistency at development level!
I'm not a critic or a zealot, but I think it's fair people ask those questions in the absence of clear and unambiguous performances that prove otherwise! For me personally, I only have two things to go on, some indirect positive feedback from one of his junior coaches, and then a noticeable lack of performance in subsequent games at a higher level.
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - Thryleon - 09-02-2018
(09-02-2018, 03:55 AM)LP link Wrote:They are perfect comparisons.
SoJ shows the difference good attitude can make in the absence of pure ability, nobody doubts his desire, effort or commitment to training and the contest. If he was a couple of yards faster he'd be a god send for Carlton!
Nathan Ablett shows what indifference does to performance, because despite having sheds loads of natural ability and athleticism he bombed under the scrutiny AFL brings!
FWIW, Nathan Ablett's trajectory into AFL very closely mirrors Ben Silvagni! Both of them had been lauded at U16 level, both of them were early growers and tall relative to their peers, both of them showed indifference or inconsistency at development level!
I'm not a critic or a zealot, but I think it's fair people ask those questions in the absence of clear and unambiguous performances that prove otherwise! For me personally, I only have two things to go on, some indirect positive feedback from one of his junior coaches, and then a noticeable lack of performance in subsequent games at a higher level.
The difference may be that had Nathan not won a flag he might have continued.
People have different aspirations.
Once he won his premiership he might have changed his mindset. I'll haippily accept a retirement post a premiership.
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - LP - 09-03-2018
(09-02-2018, 06:14 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:The difference may be that had Nathan not won a flag he might have continued.
People have different aspirations.
Once he won his premiership he might have changed his mindset. I'll haippily accept a retirement post a premiership.
Yet it seems like claiming to have "climbed Mt Everest" after having been carried all the way by Sherpas!
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - Thryleon - 09-03-2018
(09-03-2018, 12:33 AM)LP link Wrote:Yet it seems like claiming to have "climbed Mt Everest" after having been carried all the way by Sherpas!
Everyone gets carried in some way shape or form LP. Even Cripps gets carried in situations where players run off him.
At the end of the day, in a premiership season, Nathan's stats in a premiership year, was:
21 games, 17 wins, 4 losses, contributing an average of 4.1 marks a game, 1.5 inside fifties per game, 0.7 goal assists per game, and 1.6 goals per game and 1.3 tackles per game.
Come grand final day, he chimed in with 3 goals and was playing as a key forward. He did his job without being spectacular.
Re: Potential List Changes for the Northern Blues 2018 - Professer E - 09-03-2018
I dont think it's comparable to weigh Ben S versus Nathan Ablett. One's an Ablett.