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Re: 2019 AFLW Votes - Round 5 vs Pies - flyboy77 - 03-05-2019
As I see it, as someone who (presently) can't stomach watching the AFLW, scoring is the/a major issue.
2 goals in a match and you win?
Joke. imho. Embarrassing to all and sundry quite frankly.
How to fix that problem - and make it more watchable to Jill & Joe Smith and their kids?
Less players for starters. Helps the congestion.
Umpires enforcing the f'n rules - reward the great tackle, pay the high tackle free quickly - and be consistent.
Maybe have a (say) 40m line from goal rather than 50m - and a goal from outside 40 gets 9 points or whatever.
Zones too, clearly.....
It will die without a lot of change.
Re: Re: 2019 AFLW Votes - Round 5 vs Pies - Thryleon - 03-05-2019
(03-05-2019, 12:11 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:As I see it, as someone who (presently) can't stomach watching the AFLW, scoring is the/a major issue.
2 goals in a match and you win?
Joke. imho. Embarrassing to all and sundry quite frankly.
How to fix that problem - and make it more watchable to Jill & Joe Smith and their kids?
Less players for starters. Helps the congestion.
Umpires enforcing the f'n rules - reward the great tackle, pay the high tackle free quickly - and be consistent.
Maybe have a (say) 40m line from goal rather than 50m - and a goal from outside 40 gets 9 points or whatever.
Zones too, clearly.....
It will die without a lot of change.
It's a simple scenario.
The men are elite Male athletes and even they have trouble covering the ground unless they are special.
Women simply need smaller grounds.
Removing players won't ease congestion it will only open space ahead and behind the play as players tend to get "sucked in" to the contest and the women don't have the same ability to clear congestion as males do as they don't kick it as long or handball it as far (generally).
Beyond that I'd actually opt for larger benches.
It would allow them to stay fresher for longer.
Re: Re: 2019 AFLW Votes - Round 5 vs Pies - DJC - 03-05-2019
Just leave it as it is. The spectacle will improve as players and coaches learn on the job and fitness and conditioning evolves.
The umpiring is the only issue that needs urgent attention.
Re: Re: 2019 AFLW Votes - Round 5 vs Pies - LP - 03-05-2019
There 0.5s difference between men and women at the Olympic 100m, and the girls run the marathon in 2hr 15m which is not far off men at 2hr 01m.
I doubt you could even notice the difference on a football field without video analysis, unless it was a straight up footrace from FB to FF!
Probably the biggest visible issue is kicking power, but it's improving all the time. Regardless about 50% of all kicks for both men and women are wasted.
Re: AFLW - General discussion thread - Lods - 03-05-2019
Just a sweeping generalisation…
I've seen 3 of our games this year....the last 3
The first one (against GWS) was far superior (from both sides ) to anything I saw last season.
Skills, kicking accuracy, tackling....even the odd bit of "fancy play" was all up on last year.
The last two games seemed to drift back into a bit of the scrappiness and uncertainty of previous seasons.
There could be multiple reasons for that (pressure perhaps) , but the product on display in the GWS game was well worth the watch.
Re: AFLW - General discussion thread - LP - 03-05-2019
(03-05-2019, 10:06 PM)Lods link Wrote:There could be multiple reasons for that (pressure perhaps) , but the product on display in the GWS game was well worth the watch.
I suppose GWS is under AFL control and takes the AFL mandate to play attractive football more seriously than the other clubs.
Remembering we got the blame for playing unattractive football back at the start of last season, yet it seems that in 2019 we are no longer the alleged "common denominator of negativity", why aren't these other clubs called out in the media, is it because their CEOs and Presidents are in positions of power in the AFL and AFL media?
FWIW, I also was thinking much the same regarding game lines. I wonder if the explanation for the change in spectacle is perhaps the change in umpiring emphasis, be it deliberate or unintentional. Does the match day pattern follow a certain set of umpires?
Re: AFLW - General discussion thread - DJC - 03-05-2019
(03-05-2019, 11:09 PM)LP link Wrote:I suppose GWS is under AFL control and takes the AFL mandate to play attractive football more seriously than the other clubs.
Remembering we got the blame for playing unattractive football back at the start of last season, yet it seems that in 2019 we are no longer the alleged "common denominator of negativity", why aren't these other clubs called out in the media, is it because their CEOs and Presidents are in positions of power in the AFL and AFL media?
FWIW, I also was thinking much the same regarding game lines. I wonder if the explanation for the change in spectacle is perhaps the change in umpiring emphasis, be it deliberate or unintentional. Does the match day pattern follow a certain set of umpires?
From what I have seen, the umpiring is consistent (in its inconsistency) across the board. They must be following an AFL directive ... or the AFLW has scoured the suburban leagues and recruited the worst umpires going around.
Re: AFLW - General discussion thread - LP - 03-05-2019
(03-05-2019, 11:46 PM)DJC link Wrote:From what I have seen, the umpiring is consistent (in its inconsistency) across the board. They must be following an AFL directive ... or the AFLW has scoured the suburban leagues and recruited the worst umpires going around.
I'm not upset that AFLW looks more like suburban football, live suburban footy has probably been netter to watch than AFL for the last few years anyway. The thing that brings the AFLW and AFL spectacle undone is the broadcasters willingness to rip apart every contest and decision with ultra slow motion replays. At suburban live footy no slow motions are present to stop you focusing on with the next chain of play!
The problem with the AFL spectacle is more often the broadcast not the product!
Re: Re: 2019 AFLW Votes - Round 5 vs Pies - Thryleon - 03-06-2019
(03-05-2019, 09:15 PM)LP link Wrote:There 0.5s difference between men and women at the Olympic 100m, and the girls run the marathon in 2hr 15m which is not far off men at 2hr 01m.
I doubt you could even notice the difference on a football field without video analysis, unless it was a straight up footrace from FB to FF!
Probably the biggest visible issue is kicking power, but it's improving all the time. Regardless about 50% of all kicks for both men and women are wasted.
Don't look at elite athletes from both genders in a very specific discipline regarding covering the ground for less than 15 seconds in one sprint.
Marathon runners:
https://www.verywellfit.com/what-is-a-good-time-for-running-a-marathon-2911426
In terms of average marathon times, the median marathon finishing time in 2016 for men in U.S. marathons was 4:22:07 (9:59 minutes per mile pace), according to Running USA. The median finishing time for women was 4:47:40 (10:58 minutes per mile pace). Thats a 20% variance in performance over the course of the marathon. During each Mile we are talking about 10% variance in pace.
Keeping all that in mind, AFLW is in its 3rd season. Even their most seasoned players are 3rd year in the system. The AFL players are career footballers by comparison. They have been through a junior system that has been aimed at producing an elite AFL footballer and competition for spots has been quite different when compared to females.
The result is you are comparing an elite male marathoner, vs a female marathoner who might only be going at Median pace. THAT is the difference I am thinking is going to be significant here.
So, contrasting that with this link about the fastest marathoners ever:
https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a20823734/these-are-the-worlds-fastest-marathoners-and-marathon-courses/
I get it, they are relative to each others competition, but these things shouldnt be disregarded. When playing on grounds like Icon park, this is a massive variance for these girls to contend with.
Food for thought:
http://www.stpats.vic.edu.au/en/news/article/1st-xviii-match-report-2015-herald-sun-shield-fi/
St Patrick’s College 10.12 (72) d Essendon Keilor College 6.7 (43)
Names of some of the players that played that day: Daniel Rioli, Jacob Hopper
Now these guys played down at Port Melbourne as year 12's.
Is that an average score?? I don't know. I can't answer that, but compared to AFL mens, its not a big score.
Coming back to compare the mens vs womens, check out that actual statistics (to lessen bias, I will look at the stats for one round in each year):
https://www.afl.com.au/stats
AFL Mens Round 1, 2018:
Avg Kicks: 212.3
Avg Handballs: 161.2
Avg Disposals: 373.5
Avg Marks: 90
Avg Hit Outs: 38.8
Avg Frees For: 20.5
Avg Frees Against: 20.6
Avg Tackles: 64.8
Avg Goals: 11.9
Avg Behinds: 11.0
AFLW Round 1, 2018:
https://www.afl.com.au/womens/matches/stats
Avg Kicks: 126.3
Avg Handballs: 61.5
Avg Disposals: 187.9
Avg Marks: 36.5
Avg Hit Outs: 24.7
Avg Frees For: 15
Avg Frees Against: 15
Avg Tackles: 60.8
Avg Goals: 4.9
Avg Behinds: 37.8
Re: AFLW - General discussion thread - LP - 03-06-2019
I won't try to claim they are equal, but I won't blame the differences for the spectacle.
They should not play the same game style, yet the AFLW seems hell bent on imitating the men.
When I watch the EPLW or the girls Rugby they are quite accomplished, but the trick seems to be having an emphasis on other aspects of the game to the brute power focus of the men. For example in the EPLW they move the ball with far higher cadence and agility than the men, they play a faster style in which there is little emphasis on controlling tempo or physical contests.
Politically incorrect as this may be there is potentially a difference, the AFLW is dominated by "other political interests" while the EPLW and girls Rugby are not in that they remain more neutral. It may take a while before AFLW finds it's balance, between females wanting to be elite female sports-people in a female sport equivalent of the men, and females wanting equality to male sports-people. In some respects I think the spectacle has been hijacked by one of these agendas. Some believe the ideals can coexist, I'm not so sure well see the best of the sport if that is the case. To be elite a female sport should be tactically tailored to use the skills and abilities of females, we cannot deny the physical and psychological differences.
Of course I expect some to accuse me of misogyny or sexism for stating this belief.