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Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - Professer E - 07-23-2018
My post wasn't clear, sorry about that, but Kreuzer is clearly a keeper for what is left of his career. However, at this time of year, I would rather play a kid with upside rather than some list clogger who has already peaked. The mature agers have to be good enough players in their own right to deserve a game before any talk of mentoring.
Here's eight blokes brought in or retained to assist the kids but are now list clog:
Casboult. Not the future, not good enough.
Graham
Shaw
Mullet
OShea. Good NBs support.
Wright. Game has gone past him.
A. Silvagni. Permanently injured.
Lobbe. Apparently a good ruck mentor.
We need to do better, and get a lot more, from our mature bodies.
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - cookie2 - 07-23-2018
@ Prof
Interesting observation about Lobbe Prof. I suggested he would be a useful mentor when we signed him and was comprehensively howled down on here!
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - Professer E - 07-23-2018
My sources in Adelaide regaled him as being a damn good team-orientated bloke. Regarded as a core player at the NBs but injuries seem to have knocked down his mobility and thus his utility at senior level. He is still doing what he should be doing - mentoring kid and rucks and offering back up to the senior side as appropriate - but expecting him to play 20 senior games a season is unrealistic.
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 07-23-2018
(07-23-2018, 10:00 PM)Professer E link Wrote:My sources in Adelaide regaled him as being a damn good team-orientated bloke. Regarded as a core player at the NBs but injuries seem to have knocked down his mobility and thus his utility at senior level. He is still doing what he should be doing - mentoring kid and rucks and offering back up to the senior side as appropriate - but expecting him to play 20 senior games a season is unrealistic.
I don't get the Lobbe hate from the weekend, I thought he was OK for his first ever game in Navy Blue!
Rucks are only ever good when they are part of a rehearsed team that knows exactly who, where and when things have to happen. It's easy to bag the first gamer if he doesn't follow up with a 2nd effort, but he'd just be guessing and could easily clean up a team mate if he didn't know where they typically run, who's voice is who, etc., etc.. It's hard enough to get this right at training, without the noise of a 30000 crowd. As a first gamer he gets to pass mark despite hesitation and some shallow efforts, the guys who have been around the club for a decade don't!
A great example is SpecialK 2nd or even 3rd efforts, they are wasted if the other Mids do not know where and when to be to receive when SpecialK gets on a role, or if they get in his way!
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-24-2018
(07-23-2018, 09:32 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:@ Prof
Interesting observation about Lobbe Prof. I suggested he would be a useful mentor when we signed him and was comprehensively howled down on here!
Cookie..Did a lot of instructional work vs Hawthorn did Lobbe so you were on the money, also provides a bit of physical presence as a he is big lump of a bloke....in fact I dont mind him as the No 1 ruck with maybe Kreuzer spending some time forward...bit over Levi..
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - cookie2 - 07-24-2018
(07-24-2018, 01:06 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Cookie..Did a lot of instructional work vs Hawthorn did Lobbe so you were on the money, also provides a bit of physical presence as a he is big lump of a bloke....in fact I dont mind him as the No 1 ruck with maybe Kreuzer spending some time forward...bit over Levi..
Thanks EB (and Prof). He doesn't cost us much so he is earning his keep atm.
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - laj - 07-24-2018
(07-24-2018, 01:06 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Cookie..Did a lot of instructional work vs Hawthorn did Lobbe so you were on the money, also provides a bit of physical presence as a he is big lump of a bloke....in fact I dont mind him as the No 1 ruck with maybe Kreuzer spending some time forward...bit over Levi..
Kreuzer has never done any good at all in that situation though. Kreuzer and McKay will do me. McKay won't be winning many taps, don't care anyway as we won't be winning any games, but running around the ground is doing so much for his game. Might not have hit the scoreboard in his last 2 games but they have been his best games. That's more important than running around with 2 rucks, which has never suited Kreuzer.
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - deags - 07-24-2018
I think we need to work out if Kreuzer is going on next year.
If he is, moth ball him. Get some games in to Lobbe. He was ok on the weekend, and I would rather him than a half fit Kreuzer, who may leave us one down again.
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - cookie2 - 07-24-2018
(07-24-2018, 02:22 AM)deags link Wrote:I think we need to work out if Kreuzer is going on next year.
If he is, moth ball him. Get some games in to Lobbe. He was ok on the weekend, and I would rather him than a half fit Kreuzer, who may leave us one down again.
Makes a heap of sense to me.
Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast - laj - 07-24-2018
(07-24-2018, 02:22 AM)deags link Wrote:I think we need to work out if Kreuzer is going on next year.
If he is, moth ball him. Get some games in to Lobbe. He was ok on the weekend, and I would rather him than a half fit Kreuzer, who may leave us one down again.
I'd imagine he is. Not a bad idea though.