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Re: Another School Shooting in the US - Jack Burton - 02-22-2018
Will never happen. They'll tighten some regs about background checks, which the states will ignore, and this will all happen again in a month or two
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - cookie2 - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 10:25 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:Will never happen. They'll tighten some regs about background checks, which the states will ignore, and this will all happen again in a month or two
Unfortunately I think you are right. Born out by Joe Hockey interviewed on 7:30 last night.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - Jack Burton - 02-22-2018
I watched some of the coverage on CNN today, powerful stuff. But what Americans don't question, don't prioritise, is to me the number one question that should be asked. Even if we accept the second amendment concept for the right to bear arms, and if we concede that they should have the right to defend themselves with a gun, and they have the right to go out hunting defenseless animals with a gun, even if we accept all that, why do they need to do that with a semi-automatic assault rifle that is designed for one purpose only, and that is military applications to kill as many humans as possible in the shortest possible amount of time
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - northernblue - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 10:58 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:I watched some of the coverage on CNN today, powerful stuff. But what Americans don't question, don't prioritise, is to me the number one question that should be asked. Even if we accept the second amendment concept for the right to bear arms, and if we concede that they should have the right to defend themselves with a gun, and they have the right to go out hunting defenseless animals with a gun, even if we accept all that, why do they need to do that with a semi-automatic assault rifle that is designed for one purpose only, and that is military applications to kill as many humans as possible in the shortest possible amount of time????????
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - DJC - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 10:58 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:I watched some of the coverage on CNN today, powerful stuff. But what Americans don't question, don't prioritise, is to me the number one question that should be asked. Even if we accept the second amendment concept for the right to bear arms, and if we concede that they should have the right to defend themselves with a gun, and they have the right to go out hunting defenseless animals with a gun, even if we accept all that, why do they need to do that with a semi-automatic assault rifle that is designed for one purpose only, and that is military applications to kill as many humans as possible in the shortest possible amount of time
How can you fight back against an oppressive government if you don’t have weapons that are designed to kill people? Of course, that’s assuming that a bunch of raggedy-arsed rednecks with assault rifles and the odd machine gun can take on and defeat the most powerful army, navy and air force going around :
It really is freaked up thinking but I think that the youth movement that has sprung up after the most recent massacre has the potential to drive change.
It’s unfortunate that the present POTUS is such a dog whistling, corrupt, populist bag of wind. I wonder how different he’d be if he failed to avoid the draft :-\
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - cookie2 - 02-22-2018
I'm sure there is great desire within strategic circles in the US to remove the weapons from the populace but sadly there are many in the populace who genuinely believe that this would be a direct assault on their "culture" and way of life and an act of tyranny by the government. That is the type of thinking that needs to be dealt with before progress can be made but no evidence of this atm.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - Thryleon - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 10:05 AM)Lods link Wrote:The stupidest ever idea would be to arm teachers.
They're the last group of folks you would want armed given the pressures and confrontations with students some of them face.
Its like they speak for the sake of it without considering the repercussions.
I.e. Lets consider the outcome for the moment, of a teacher actually shooting a student. Before we even consider the how, what, where, when and why, think about this. An adult has shot a likely teenage student.
How daft can people actually be to think that this won't end in tears, and the teachers will have no leg to stand on? As least the students can argue that they aren't adults and teachers should know better.
Not to mention the other combinations (white teacher, black student or vice versa).
IF the Americans are supposedly the worlds super power, they are absolutely going backwards very quickly over the last 20 years and will surely be knocked off that perch very quickly.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 10:05 AM)Lods link Wrote:The stupidest ever idea would be to arm teachers.
They're the last group of folks you would want armed given the pressures and confrontations with students some of them face.
I did some work for a expensive religious college and while the teachers were not armed they had security on the private school bus that were, the entrance security staff were also armed.
They were concerned about kidnapping's and terrorism ....
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - Thryleon - 02-23-2018
(02-22-2018, 11:01 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I did some work for a expensive religious college and while the teachers were not armed they had security on the private school bus that were, the entrance security staff were also armed.
They were concerned about kidnapping's and terrorism ....
Armed security staff is a very different proposition than a teacher having a weapon.
They aren't interacting with students unless they pose a security issue and even so, they deal with them once and move on.
There is a different dynamic once an established relationship is involved whilst security only have to be an authority/police officer of sorts.
Re: Another School Shooting in the US - madbluboy - 02-23-2018
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