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Re: Leadership Group 2018 - mateinone - 01-22-2018
(01-22-2018, 02:18 AM)DJC link Wrote:I suspect that they are slightly better placed than we are
Well yes I agree that they would know more about who has the better temperament for captaining the club than we do, but whether they have more of an idea of what is required of a leader, that is another story.
The problem with players picking a leader, is they are very likely to pick based on 3 things... football ability, how good a bloke they are & maturity/seniority Why wouldn't they? They are a bunch of young guys who would never have been in a position to understand leadership responsibilities to any high level, why would they really pick based on anything else?
I am not suggesting anyone on the forum really has anywhere near the insight into the individuals to be able to select a captain based on anything more than a 'gut feel', which simply isn't enough. I wasn't saying forum members should pick the captain, I was only suggesting players shouldn't.
The requirements of leaders is similar across all fields, sports, business, military the works. And all of those entities look to similar organsations/courses/teachings to help build leadership skills within their ranks. The specifics are so obviously different, but many of he core human requirements are the same
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - DJC - 01-22-2018
(01-22-2018, 06:38 AM)mateinone link Wrote:Well yes I agree that they would know more about who has the better temperament for captaining the club than we do, but whether they have more of an idea of what is required of a leader, that is another story.
The problem with players picking a leader, is they are very likely to pick based on 3 things... football ability, how good a bloke they are & maturity/seniority Why wouldn't they? They are a bunch of young guys who would never have been in a position to understand leadership responsibilities to any high level, why would they really pick based on anything else?
I am not suggesting anyone on the forum really has anywhere near the insight into the individuals to be able to select a captain based on anything more than a 'gut feel', which simply isn't enough. I wasn't saying forum members should pick the captain, I was only suggesting players shouldn't.
The requirements of leaders is similar across all fields, sports, business, military the works. And all of those entities look to similar organsations/courses/teachings to help build leadership skills within their ranks. The specifics are so obviously different, but many of he core human requirements are the same
I'm reminded of the time my school's forms 5 and 6 students voted for prefects and a certain DJC got the most votes. Did he become a prefect? No way!
However, I think that AFL footballers are much better prepared to make good decisions about their club's leaders. I think that is particularly the case at our club now that we have placed such an emphasis on leadership and leadership development. Even the newest players talk about leaders and leadership in their interview. Yes, they may have scripted responses but I like to think that at least some of their answers are spontaneous.
In any case, the players' opinions about the best leaders are only one of the factors that are considered before a captain is appointed ... and marketability, as EB suggested, could be one too. If so, I reckon Bolton would only be swayed from his choice if it was a line ball decision.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - Thryleon - 01-22-2018
I think where DJC and MIO are on different wavelengths is to do with interpretation.
MIO (quite rightly) is stating, that the players are not the best people (usually) to appoint a club captain based on outside perceptions of how things run (i.e. someone like Fevola can become a club captain if the players cast deciding votes) and I agree that blokes just finding their feet in a new team are likely to be ill equipped to be in a position to select the best captain unless they have a good understanding of how the role works.
DJC is stating that the boys understand their expectations much better these days and are better equipped than the average player to understand the role of captain, whats required and would then make a better selection than MIO thinks they will.
Both are probably on the right track where MIO and DJC are making fair points that need to be considered, and this is why the club would have "captains elect" for the role, where they choose the proposed candidates and then allow the group to choose from the candidates proposed who meet certain criteria of XYZ for leadership roles, knowing that they cannot fork up that selection as the best candidates are the only ones proposed.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-23-2018
Are the playing group as a whole capable of picking the best captain or would some vote instead for the most popular player, would a 1st year, 2 year player have the information base to make that decision?
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - PaulP - 01-23-2018
(01-23-2018, 12:43 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Are the playing group as a whole capable of picking the best captain or would some vote instead for the most popular player, would a 1st year, 2 year player have the information base to make that decision?
Fair points Elwood.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - DJC - 01-23-2018
(01-22-2018, 11:18 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Both are probably on the right track where MIO and DJC are making fair points that need to be considered, and this is why the club would have "captains elect" for the role, where they choose the proposed candidates and then allow the group to choose from the candidates proposed who meet certain criteria of XYZ for leadership roles, knowing that they cannot fork up that selection as the best candidates are the only ones proposed.
You may be right about "captains elect" but I'm sure that the club doesn't just fall into line with the players' votes. It will be an important factor, as will the leadership testing, but you can bet that Bolts and co have the final say.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - cookie2 - 01-23-2018
BB will want to be sure that his game plan and coaching directives are strictly and effectively followed and that is the job of the leadership group both on and off the field. He will undoubtedly have a strong say in its makeup no matter who the players may want or nominate.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - kruddler - 01-23-2018
(01-22-2018, 11:18 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:I think where DJC and MIO are on different wavelengths is to do with interpretation.
MIO (quite rightly) is stating, that the players are not the best people (usually) to appoint a club captain based on outside perceptions of how things run (i.e. someone like Fevola can become a club captain if the players cast deciding votes) and I agree that blokes just finding their feet in a new team are likely to be ill equipped to be in a position to select the best captain unless they have a good understanding of how the role works.
DJC is stating that the boys understand their expectations much better these days and are better equipped than the average player to understand the role of captain, whats required and would then make a better selection than MIO thinks they will.
Both are probably on the right track where MIO and DJC are making fair points that need to be considered, and this is why the club would have "captains elect" for the role, where they choose the proposed candidates and then allow the group to choose from the candidates proposed who meet certain criteria of XYZ for leadership roles, knowing that they cannot fork up that selection as the best candidates are the only ones proposed.
The coach ultimately decides who should be captain as he is the one that mirrors what the coach wants/expects from the game.
Perfect example was Nick Maxwell. Nobody would have picked him, be that players, media or supporters, but it made sense....and worked.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - PaulP - 01-23-2018
(01-23-2018, 07:19 AM)kruddler link Wrote:The coach ultimately decides who should be captain as he is the one that mirrors what the coach wants/expects from the game.
Perfect example was Nick Maxwell. Nobody would have picked him, be that players, media or supporters, but it made sense....and worked.
Which I guess means that Mick and Bolts both want / wanted Murph as captain.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - shawny - 01-23-2018
(01-23-2018, 07:19 AM)kruddler link Wrote:The coach ultimately decides who should be captain as he is the one that mirrors what the coach wants/expects from the game.
Perfect example was Nick Maxwell. Nobody would have picked him, be that players, media or supporters, but it made sense....and worked.
Exactly. Hence why I never quite get it why so many of us arm chair critics say Murphy is not 'tough enough' to be captain and we should have player A player B etc casue they would be better at it then Murphy.
The guy is entering his 6th year as captain and has held it under 3 coaches.......with 40 players on the list he must be ok at the job despite what us supporters say at times.
Being a small framed player i think he cops it unfairly a bit when we are struggling and is an easy target but at the end of the day the players and coaches who see 40 players nearly every day have selected him over the past 5 years and they must know more about it then us who watch for 2 hours on game day.