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Re: Tramps Like Us - Thryleon - 02-07-2017
It's a fairly asanine argument to go with most votes win with such an unfair distribution of voters.
Realistically our situation isn't much different. Win the majority seats and you're going to be invited to form government, and that doesn't mean more votes,that just means more seats.
Re: Tramps Like Us - PaulP - 02-07-2017
If it's a democracy, then the majority must rule. If 90% of the US population live in Alabama, or California, then so be it. Trying to doctor a system that evens the score because some states will be ignored leads to results like this one. You either get penalized because you're too small, or you get penalized because you're too big.
If politicians weren't so crap, those in power would make decisions that benefit the entire country, including smaller states, and not simply decisions that appeal to their particular constituents.
Re: Tramps Like Us - kruddler - 02-07-2017
(02-07-2017, 07:53 PM)PaulP link Wrote:If it's a democracy, then the majority must rule. If 90% of the US population live in Alabama, or California, then so be it. Trying to doctor a system that evens the score because some states will be ignored leads to results like this one. You either get penalized because you're too small, or you get penalized because you're too big.Far be it from me to try and explain politics but isnt the system largely similar to what we have here? That is, you vote at council/geographical level and most votes in each section wins the section....and most sections wins overall.
If politicians weren't so crap, those in power would make decisions that benefit the entire country, including smaller states, and not simply decisions that appeal to their particular constituents.
Some sections are smaller due to having more voters.
If there are 10 sections and 9 win by a single vote (say x) and the other one wins by 10,000 votes (say y).
X wins 9 out 10.
Y gets more overall votes but wins only 1/10 sections.
How is this different?
Re: Tramps Like Us - Lods - 02-07-2017
(02-07-2017, 07:53 PM)PaulP link Wrote:If it's a democracy, then the majority must rule. If 90% of the US population live in Alabama, or California, then so be it. Trying to doctor a system that evens the score because some states will be ignored leads to results like this one. You either get penalized because you're too small, or you get penalized because you're too big.
If politicians weren't so crap, those in power would make decisions that benefit the entire country, including smaller states, and not simply decisions that appeal to their particular constituents.
One vote one value is a fine principle...but it's not the ideal.
The electoral college system (and also ours) isn't that different to a "one vote, one value" system.
Both 'electoral college votes per state' and (and our own electorates) are largely determined by population.
Win most electoral college votes and it usually means you've also won the popular vote (4 times in Presidential history has this not been the case)
Winning most electorates in an Australian election usually means you've won the popular vote.
So it's not the huge issue it's being made out to be.
But what the American system (and our one) does do is make parties and candidates give some attention to all areas of a country.
Taking this to an extreme.....
In a popular vote election in the US a candidate would spend all their time in just half a dozen states, "pork barelling" those particular areas... That's where nearly half the votes are.....you wouldn't see them in the "Other" States on that pie chart.
In Australia under a popular vote system parties and candidates wouldn't spend any time (or money) outside of the Capital cities....other than perhaps roads connecting them.
Re: Tramps Like Us - PaulP - 02-08-2017
Yes, those are all fair point lods. I can't disagree with any of that.
I note in my brief research that in our 1998 election, Labor won the popular vote, but failed to win government.
Re: Tramps Like Us - madbluboy - 02-08-2017
(02-07-2017, 07:53 PM)PaulP link Wrote:If it's a democracy, then the majority must rule. If 90% of the US population live in Alabama, or California, then so be it. Trying to doctor a system that evens the score because some states will be ignored leads to results like this one. You either get penalized because you're too small, or you get penalized because you're too big.
Ridiculous post. You may as well say the "deplorables" from the country don't matter.