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Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - shawny - 01-22-2017
(01-21-2017, 11:50 PM)maxm68 link Wrote:Exactly !! - he should have been stopped before this crap happened ...
From Derryn Hinch on Twitter......
I’m told pursuing police had 7 chances to ram the Bourke Street killer and were denied permission.
The Cops could've stopped him but weren't allowed ? they were watching him doing circles out front of Flinders st station.. ?
Remember the police don't have the power of hindsight when they make a decision on what action to take in a particular situation.
Attempting to stop a crazed ice addict is never going to be easy - I trust the police to make the correct call. I am certain they had their reasons why not to try and take him down when doing the burnouts.
Note- Mr Hinch- instead of being critical on the police force actions why don't you stop talking and try and bloody change the bail laws to stop these nut cases......or you could just keep talking it up like every other politician does in this country and do stuff all.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - maxm68 - 01-22-2017
(01-22-2017, 02:29 AM)shawny link Wrote:Remember the police don't have the power of hindsight when they make a decision on what action to take in a particular situation.
Attempting to stop a crazed ice addict is never going to be easy - I trust the police to make the correct call. I am certain they had their reasons why not to try and take him down when doing the burnouts.
Note- Mr hinch aren't you in politics now? Well instead of be critical on the police force why don't you stop talking and try and bloody change the bail laws to stop these nut cases or you could just keep talking like every other politician does in this country.
Yes in hindsight we are all experts I know I know.... It's just fkn heartbreaking for this to happen when it could have been prevented.
Cops in America would have had him locked up ( or dead ) well before it happened... I'm not blaming our cops ( following orders ) but they don't put up with any of that shit over there...
If Hinch had the power to change laws... he would
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - Gointocarlton - 01-22-2017
(01-22-2017, 03:49 AM)maxm68 link Wrote:Yes in hindsight we are all experts I know I know.... It's just fkn heartbreaking for this to happen when it could have been prevented.Bail laws MUST change. Thats now the 5th scum bag in recent history who should not have been on the street have committed attrocities towards innocent people going about their business (from the HS:
Cops in America would have had him locked up ( or dead ) well before it happened... I'm not blaming our cops ( following orders ) but they don't put up with any of that crap over there...
If Hinch had the power to change laws... he would
- Sean Price was on bail when he fatally stabbed 17-year-old schoolgirl Masa Vukotic 49 times and raped another woman.
-Adrian Bailey was on parole when he raped and murdered Jill Meagher.
-Steven James Hunter fatally stabbed and bashed Sarah Cafferkey, 22, in Bacchus Marsh — 11 days after completing parole for other violent crimes.
- David Patrick Clifford was on parole for drug trafficking when he violently bashed, stabbed and fatally strangled Elsa Corp, 26.
- Burke St Scumbag (I added this bit)
Things simply must change.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - Thryleon - 01-22-2017
I think we are looking in the wrong place to stop these sorts of incidents.
The people who are the root cause of these incidents are the issue. Stop people being douche bags, and people dont need to be injured/killed unnecessarily.
We can blame people for not stopping the action, but to me I think its better to stop the unhinged before they become a problem, be that through better systems, or a better way of life.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - DJC - 01-23-2017
(01-22-2017, 11:15 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:I think we are looking in the wrong place to stop these sorts of incidents.
The people who are the root cause of these incidents are the issue. Stop people being douche bags, and people dont need to be injured/killed unnecessarily.
We can blame people for not stopping the action, but to me I think its better to stop the unhinged before they become a problem, be that through better systems, or a better way of life.
I suspect you're on the right track Thry. More needs to be done to prevent people becoming a threat to themselves, their families and the general public.
I don't know what the answer is but I suspect that it's not expecting troubled or broken people to look after themselves.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - Gointocarlton - 01-23-2017
(01-23-2017, 03:56 AM)DJC link Wrote:I suspect you're on the right track Thry. More needs to be done to prevent people becoming a threat to themselves, their families and the general public.DJC couple of things:
I don't know what the answer is but I suspect that it's not expecting troubled or broken people to look after themselves.
1. It probably needs to start in primary school where rules need to be enforced harder and kids be punished when they are broken without interference from meddling parent. Kids need to be taught respect again and instructions from grown ups (teachers, parents, police etc) need to be followed. Also, no means no and kids don't have to be given everything they want.
2. More onus and responsibility needs to be put back onto the parents. These kids running rampant doing whatever they want, when they get busted breaking the law, impose some sort of a sanction on their parents/guardians as well. It might make them take a little more interest in their kids lives during the formative years.
My missus is a primary school teacher and is extremely disillusioned with systems and methods used these days. Kids just have no respect and when you try to instil some, parents and Principles arc up.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - DJC - 01-23-2017
My kids' primary school was closed by the Kennett govt. Gary Bryce, aka the Barrel, was the principal and you couldn't wish for a nicer, more effective leader. There were just over 200 kids in the school and they came from over 80 different countries. It was the most harmonious school and school community. My daughter did get into strife for kicking a boy in the gnurries - but he deserved it!
The blokes in charge decided that the real estate value of the land on which the school was located was more valuable than the future good citizens they were moulding.
There does have to be more responsibility shown by parents but the system should be able to support those that aren't up to the task.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - maxm68 - 01-23-2017
(01-23-2017, 08:45 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:DJC couple of things:
1. It probably needs to start in primary school where rules need to be enforced harder and kids be punished when they are broken without interference from meddling parent. Kids need to be taught respect again and instructions from grown ups (teachers, parents, police etc) need to be followed. Also, no means no and kids don't have to be given everything they want.
2. More onus and responsibility needs to be put back onto the parents. These kids running rampant doing whatever they want, when they get busted breaking the law, impose some sort of a sanction on their parents/guardians as well. It might make them take a little more interest in their kids lives during the formative years.
My missus is a primary school teacher and is extremely disillusioned with systems and methods used these days. Kids just have no respect and when you try to instil some, parents and Principles arc up.
I'm 48 and times have changed blah blah but.....
When I was 7 or 8 around grade 3 or 4... I was hauled up to the principles office for doing the wrong thing ( long time ago I don't know what I did wrong ) along with 3 other boys... all 4 of us were in with principle... 2 got strapped and screamed and balled there eyes out and me and the other were told it was a warning and if we stuffed up again we would get the same treatment........ I crapped myself and never got in trouble at
school again !!
When I was about 13 I was rude to my mum once too often and my old man gave it to me - not real bad but bad enough............. I crapped myself and was never rude to my mum again !!
When I was 19 or 20 I was in a brawl out the front of my local pub....... A copper grabbed me from behind in a full nelson choking me, I nearly passed out he then slammed my head into the side of a divvy and threw me in the back............. I crapped myself and have never been in trouble with the police or a fight again!!
The moral of the story... respect your teachers, parents and the police. I learnt from my lessons.....
Kids these days aren't being taught the right lessons.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - Gointocarlton - 01-23-2017
(01-23-2017, 09:38 AM)maxm68 link Wrote:I'm 48 and times have changed blah blah but.....Bingo
When I was 7 or 8 around grade 3 or 4... I was hauled up to the principles office for doing the wrong thing ( long time ago I don't know what I did wrong ) along with 3 other boys... all 4 of us were in with principle... 2 got strapped and screamed and balled there eyes out and me and the other were told it was a warning and if we stuffed up again we would get the same treatment........ I crapped myself and never got in trouble at
school again !!
When I was about 13 I was rude to my mum once too often and my old man gave it to me - not real bad but bad enough............. I crapped myself and was never rude to my mum again !!
When I was 19 or 20 I was in a brawl out the front of my local pub....... A copper grabbed me from behind in a full nelson choking me, I nearly passed out he then slammed my head into the side of a divvy and threw me in the back............. I crapped myself and have never been in trouble with the police or a fight again!!
The moral of the story... respect your teachers, parents and the police. I learnt from my lessons.....
Kids these days aren't being taught the right lessons.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-23-2017
Bring back the death penalty, Dupas, Knight, Bryant etc etc...this maniac from a couple of days ago.., sex offenders, drug dealers all gone...or give the Police more licence to open fire on these nutters instead of having to face an inquisition every time they discharge their weapons.