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Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - shadesy - 08-15-2016
(08-14-2016, 12:10 PM)Brettie link Wrote:Can you imagine what Gawn is gonna do to us!? If anyone is still alive in SC - lock him in for Captain.......
Melbourne will smack us.......absolutely smack us......
Lol
In our losing Streak:
Saints - Hickey 2 Goals, in Bests
GWS - Mumford - 2nd BOG
Collingwood - Grundy 2 goals, Second BOG
Adelaide - Jacobs 3 goals, in Bests
Hawks - Ceglar 2 goals, McEvoy 1
Saints x 2 - Hickey 1 goal
Brisbane - Archie Smith, first ever goal.
Lets not froget what Tippet and Sinclair did in round 2 (7 goals) and Goldy did.
We get smashed in the Ruck every week, time to cut Krueze loose and see what Phillips can do as the Number 1.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - madbluboy - 08-15-2016
The only really good game Kreuzer played was against a makeshift ruckman in Jackson Trengrove. I like Kreuzer but injuries have slowed him down and the game has only got quicker. We should try to get Majak Daw.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - cookie2 - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 01:55 AM)shadesy link Wrote:Lol
In our losing Streak:
Saints - Hickey 2 Goals, in Bests
GWS - Mumford - 2nd BOG
Collingwood - Grundy 2 goals, Second BOG
Adelaide - Jacobs 3 goals, in Bests
Hawks - Ceglar 2 goals, McEvoy 1
Saints x 2 - Hickey 1 goal
Brisbane - Archie Smith, first ever goal.
Lets not froget what Tippet and Sinclair did in round 2 (7 goals) and Goldy did.
We get smashed in the Ruck every week, time to cut Krueze loose and see what Phillips can do as the Number 1.
Well didn't it come close last year? Plus he didn't get the length of contract he was asking for. He was a stop gap.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - shadesy - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 01:59 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:The only really good game Kreuzer played was against a makeshift ruckman in Jackson Trengrove. I like Kreuzer but injuries have slowed him down and the game has only got quicker. We try and get Majak Daw.
Old school player in the modern game.
The amount of times he just gets it and throws it on his boot, his dropped marked stopped all our momentum in the third, and doesn't kick enough goals as a forward.
We have kept with him for years at the expense of Sam Jacobs and even Shaun Hampson who ALWAYS played better as a Number 1 ruck. I hate to see the same thing happen to a guy like Phillips, who is still a few years away.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - madbluboy - 08-15-2016
Agreed Shadsey and I suspect it's why we're not going the one ruckman route because if we were to it wouldn't be Kreuzer.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 01:55 AM)shadesy link Wrote:Lol
In our losing Streak:
Saints - Hickey 2 Goals, in Bests
GWS - Mumford - 2nd BOG
Collingwood - Grundy 2 goals, Second BOG
Adelaide - Jacobs 3 goals, in Bests
Hawks - Ceglar 2 goals, McEvoy 1
Saints x 2 - Hickey 1 goal
Brisbane - Archie Smith, first ever goal.
Lets not froget what Tippet and Sinclair did in round 2 (7 goals) and Goldy did.
We get smashed in the Ruck every week, time to cut Krueze loose and see what Phillips can do as the Number 1.
Your problem is with the KPDs not the ruckmen, most of those goals were kicked while the opposition rucks rested on Rowe or Weitering! If we'd had Jammo fit allowing Rowe to take the resting rucks things may have been different, but instead we had Rowe, Weitering and Plowman to deal with blokes like Hickey and Tippett, even when Jammo played he was effectively one-armed!
Opposition clubs have exposed Weitering one-on-one because as a first year player he has the body but not the strength yet!Mumford wasn't in the GWS top ten, in fact the coaches never gave him a vote! The major difference in that game was Mumford and Lobb combined offered similar output, while Kreuzer got almost no support from Phillips.
Tippett, exactly the same as the GWS game, Kreuzer matched it with Tippett and Sinclair, but Phillips ranked dead last on our list. The coaches ranked Tippett and Sinclair equally!
The Collingwood game was a bizarre affair, low scoring yet with very few stoppages. Grundy, lost the ruck, but was very effective while resting forward and benefited from our turning the ball over. Pendlebury was the coaches BOG, with Sinclair as second.
I think you are confusing losing stoppages with losing the ruck, Kreuzer was the top rated ruckmen last weekend but we were smashed in the clearances due to the slow leg speed of our midfield. I had to laugh when the Ch.7 nuffers stated Kreuzer had to lift at 3/4 time. He was the top ranked ruckmen on the ground at the time and had nullified Martin who has been the top ranked ruckmen in the competition over the last 2 months Gaunt included!
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - DJC - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 01:59 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:The only really good game Kreuzer played was against a makeshift ruckman in Jackson Trengrove. I like Kreuzer but injuries have slowed him down and the game has only got quicker. We should try to get Majak Daw.
He smashed Martin ???
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - Baggers - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 02:09 AM)shadesy link Wrote:Old school player in the modern game.Agree. That was such a critical error, from memory they goaled from that dropped mark. However, it almost seems endemic in our side... skill errors.
The amount of times he just gets it and throws it on his boot, his dropped marked stopped all our momentum in the third...
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 03:42 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Agree. That was such a critical error, from memory they goaled from that dropped mark. However, it almost seems endemic in our side... skill errors.
Yes, it's hardly a case of being Pat Malone. But if we think we are going to find a ruckmen that wins us games we are in for a world of pain. Fix the KPF and KPD problems directly, do not break stuff that is functioning just to fix another problem!
At the weekend I watched Kreuzer tap to advantage time after time, yet the only time we cleared the ball was when Cripps was in the midfield. The rest of the time the Lions got the clearance.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - laj - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 01:59 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:The only really good game Kreuzer played was against a makeshift ruckman in Jackson Trengrove. I like Kreuzer but injuries have slowed him down and the game has only got quicker. We should try to get Majak Daw.
Was terrific against Geelong too.
I'm not worried who he was against, his output around the ground lifted when Phillips wasn't around. He did take Trengrove on with a bung knee, which had minor surgery the next week, played well showed alot of heart and kicked the winner.