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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 01-30-2016
I wonder how the Zika virus will affect the election.
The Zika virus is generally no worse than the flu but recently the outbreak in Brazil has demonstrated how devastating it can be for pregnant women with many giving birth to microcephalic babies (where the skull doesn't expand and compresses the growing brain causing serious disabilities). It also appears it might cause Guillain-Barré syndrome in which the immune system attacks one's own nerves causing muscle weakness and even paralysis.
This will cause havoc in the upcoming Rio Olympics. Female Australian athletes have been warned against going if they may be pregnant.
It will also cause panic soon in the US if the virus arrives in the US as feared. Texas has conditions which are particularly conducive to the spread of the virus.
As we know from the Tampa incident and 9/11, some events can turn elections. Already, the ISIS-related massacres in Paris have propelled national security to the forefront in the current campaign. But how will the Zika virus affect it?
The lunatic Christian extremists might see such a plague as divine retribution against immoral governments which tolerate homosexuality and abortion. The Westboro Church rejoiced when the Tsunami killed thousands in Thailand for this reason. But generally such an outbreak would hurt the Republicans. Popular sentiment might have it that the Republicans are better at national security but the Democrats are seen as better managers of public health issues.
The spotlight would also be turned on issues which wouldn't suit the Republicans: abortion rights, climate change, the need for federal health funding and expertise, and vaccinations.
Texas has been leading attempts by Republican States to undermine the right to abortions. It has sought to dramatically stiffen regulations applying to abortion centres to put them out of business and has tried to close down Planned Parenthood in the wake of some taped conversations which were deceptively edited to prove that the organisation was selling "baby parts". How will it react if pregnant women demand abortions if they contract the Zika virus, particularly if there are women who want late-term abortions? What will the Republican candidate say about this?
Will scientists suggest that climate change has left the US at the mercy of tropical diseases? If the argument moves from the fate of polar ice caps and polar bears to the health and safety of US citizens, the Republican candidate might not be able to dismiss climate change so easily.
The Republican candidate also wouldn't be crazy about having to pledge an increase in the size of the health budget and the federal government's health apparatus. He (Carly Fiorini being an also-ran) would prefer to leave health issues to the States and the private sector but a Zika outbreak would be a national health issue which would demand Federal intervention.
If a vaccination can be found for the Zika virus, this will undercut the Libertarian viewpoint that vaccinations may cause harm and so each person should be able to decide whether to submit to a vaccination. Refusing to vaccinate and leaving pregnant women at risk of having severely disabled babies or miscarriages wouldn't be easy to defend.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 01-30-2016
(01-25-2016, 07:30 AM)Lods link Wrote:I suspect the next President of the United States hasn’t entered the race yet.
If they have ……get ready for President Trump. :
On the Republican side of things the ''Mad Hairdo’’ is wiping the floor with his opponents
Jeb Bush seems to be the least intelligent and effective of all the Bushes
Ted Kruz is a Canadian that nobody likes.
Rubio looks the part and speaks well but is only a baby and never goes to work.
On the Democratic side…..
Hilary could possibly end up in gaol and Bernie Sanders is a “Commie” (neither claim is actually true…but Fox news thinks it is)
Funny times ;D
How is Martin Sheen atm? - he did a good job in The West Wing. :
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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 01-30-2016
The problem in the USA is quite simple, money can buy you the Presidency if your pockets and the pockets of your supporters are deep enough.
I suspect Trump's motives will be nothing more than mega-profit for himself and his supporters. He will be offering his mates billions, and they will probably rape the USA and other countries in the process!
These blokes have no national loyalty, and if a country like China or India offered them a better financial deal they would jump ship faster than a Murdoch!
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Bear - 01-30-2016
I wouldn't panic re: Trump until he gets the nomination. He could still flame out.
If he gets it, it will be like watching a car crash. He doesn't have to play by the rules. He would be saying and doing some outrageous things.
Also have to keep in mind that not all of the US are redneck idiots. Trump would still need to win the big states like NY, California etc... The republicans have struggled to get votes outside of their shrinking base in the past two elections.
So even if he gets it, I don't think he could win.
If he did win, then panic would be an understatement.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Juddkreuzer - 01-30-2016
(01-30-2016, 02:23 AM)Bear link Wrote:So even if he gets it, I don't think he could win.
If he did win, then panic would be an understatement.
It would be safe to entertain the idea of many gunmen on many grassy knolls if he did win.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Thryleon - 01-30-2016
(01-30-2016, 01:26 AM)LP link Wrote:The problem in the USA is quite simple, money can buy you the Presidency if your pockets and the pockets of your supporters are deep enough.to become prime minister of Australia you need Gina's tick of approval.
I suspect Trump's motives will be nothing more than mega-profit for himself and his supporters. He will be offering his mates billions, and they will probably rape the USA and other countries in the process!
These blokes have no national loyalty, and if a country like China or India offered them a better financial deal they would jump ship faster than a Murdoch!
Let's not pretend modern democracy is anything like the ideals first created.
For starters the public were able to vote a representative into exile in disgrace in the ancient Greece.
I'd say this is probably relevant the world over.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 01-30-2016
But in the US, things are much worse because of a ridiculous Supreme Court decision. In Citizens United, the Court struck down a law that tried to reform campaign financing by limiting donations from the wealthy and corporations. Unbelievably, the Court found that corporations are people too and donating money to politicians is protected by the First Amendment as freedom of speech. The majority reasoned that it's the essence of democracy to allow the rich and big corporations to use their money to persuade politicians to act in their interests. Now, billionaires are free to form PACs and Super-PACS (political action committees) and raise big money anonymously to support candidates of their choice. The Koch Brothers have been doing that on the Republican side now for a while. They have been thwarted by Trump who refuses to play by their tune but then again he's a billionaire too and he hasn't needed even his own money as the media gives him so much coverage he doesn't have to buy advertising time.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 01-30-2016
(01-30-2016, 09:56 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:to become prime minister of Australia you need Gina's tick of approval.
Let's not pretend modern democracy is anything like the ideals first created.
For starters the public were able to vote a representative into exile in disgrace in the ancient Greece.
I'd say this is probably relevant the world over.
It's not even close to being the same, here donations have to be declared, are limited in various ways and subject to senate scrutiny.
In the US donations can be completely anonymous, I've even heard stories of Republicans supporting Democrats so that their preferred opponent has a better chance of being nominated. If you tried that on here or in the UK you would be on the way to the big house for a conspiracy of some sort.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 01-30-2016
(01-30-2016, 10:34 PM)Mav link Wrote:Now, billionaires are free to form PACs and Super-PACS (political action committees) and raise big money anonymously to support candidates of their choice. The Koch Brothers have been doing that on the Republican side now for a while. They have been thwarted by Trump who refuses to play by their tune but then again he's a billionaire too and he hasn't needed even his own money as the media gives him so much coverage he doesn't have to buy advertising time.
The US situation is made worse by the fact that voting is not compulsory, the wealthy vote is worth far more than it should be.
Do you think Trump will pull the pin once the "offer" to do so is valuable enough, or does he see himself as the next Putin? The USAs first ever Oligarch!
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Thryleon - 01-31-2016
(01-30-2016, 11:53 PM)LP link Wrote:It's not even close to being the same, here donations have to be declared, are limited in various ways and subject to senate scrutiny.
In the US donations can be completely anonymous, I've even heard stories of Republicans supporting Democrats so that their preferred opponent has a better chance of being nominated. If you tried that on here or in the UK you would be on the way to the big house for a conspiracy of some sort.
Its the biggest scam in the world.
Provide the people the illusion of choice and they will comply. Remove their choice and freedom and they rebel.
Morons like trump serve the ruling class by distracting the masses from who has the real power in government.