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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 05-28-2021

(05-28-2021, 11:06 AM)capcom link Wrote:Purely in isolation, that decision was disgusting regardless of who made it.

Zero humanity.

Shameful. Especially considering we're watching 40+ blokes are tackling each other right now at an exposure site.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 05-28-2021

If Astra was the only jab we had of course I would get it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 05-28-2021

Exposure sites are listed with times to enable people who were there at those times to test themselves. That’s because the main risk is airborne infection. The period of concern can be as small as a few minutes. Rest assured, Covid won’t be hanging around in the air inside Marvel Stadium after a whole week. And presumably the bays concerned would have been disinfected (although it’s doubtful fomites live that long anyway).

AFL footballers are all tested repeatedly for Covid. That means they really are in a different category. Would all those who might attend a funeral be tested beforehand?

Let’s not compare apples & oranges.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 05-28-2021

(05-28-2021, 10:55 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:All the numerous statistics I have seen have the Pfizer at around 80% effective and the Astra Z at 60% effective. Both work well but one is clearly superior.
No that is not correct at all, when they are assessed together side by side using the same protocols by independent scientific authorities they are virtually identical in efficacy. The initial numbers reported by AstraZeneca and Pfizer used different measures, which made Pfizer sound superior but it isn't, but the numbers have stuck being the first thing most people heard. It was clever marketing.

Further, those false assumptions have biased data from voluntary reporting sources like the UK Yellow Card system, because people think AstraZeneca makes you sick based on social media and media commentary, they report side-effects at a higher rate. When the reporting is completed and filtered by health professionals the differences almost disappear, what remains is so small it is statistically insignificant and no quantity of FB posts can change that hard real world fact.

The problem is a lack of understanding in the reported numbers, and cherry picking of data by unscientific sources like social media and those with political motivations.

We are partially in this lockdown now because of vaccine hesitancy, the authorities have been discarding expired batches because not enough people are going to get vaccinated, not because there aren't enough staff to issue the doses! My associate went to the Sandon Hub on Thursday and told me that hub had dozens of staff ready and not enough patients to vaccinate, they were pleading with the few patients they had to please spread the word among friends and associates to go and get vaccinated.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 05-28-2021

I use ivermectin to worm my chooks.  It works very well.  It's also useful for treating a couple of parasitological conditions in humans.

Sadly, and not too different from the suggestion that injecting bleach could cure COVID-19, some unscrupulous folk have been advocating the use of ivermectin as a COVID treatment, with unfortunate results.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

It is possible that ivermectin could prove useful in treating COVID-19 symptoms but, to date, no rigorous trials have shown that to be the case.

https://theconversation.com/ivermectin-why-a-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-for-use-157904

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 05-28-2021

(05-28-2021, 11:06 AM)capcom link Wrote:Purely in isolation, that decision was disgusting regardless of who made it.

Zero humanity.
How does one give an exemption to one mother and not another? Just saying.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 05-28-2021

(05-28-2021, 02:37 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:How does one give an exemption to one mother and not another? Just saying.

OK.  Why not both GTC?  Set up a testing facility for others outside the 10 limit attendance, especially given that clown merlino labelled it a 7 day "circuit breaker" lockdown? 

Effin' cruel.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 05-28-2021

(05-28-2021, 12:04 PM)Mav link Wrote:Exposure sites are listed with times to enable people who were there at those times to test themselves. That’s because the main risk is airborne infection. The period of concern can be as small as a few minutes. Rest assured, Covid won’t be hanging around in the air inside Marvel Stadium after a whole week. And presumably the bays concerned would have been disinfected (although it’s doubtful fomites live that long anyway).

AFL footballers are all tested repeatedly for Covid. That means they really are in a different category. Would all those who might attend a funeral be tested beforehand?

Let’s not compare apples & oranges.

I'm comparing celebs with ordinary people.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Professer E - 05-28-2021

Yes, I wonder about that as well.  Us proles have to wait months for medical tests or procedures, a footballer has an incident and the next news cross shows them entering the club after scans.  Amazing how that solidly booked MRI machine was suddenly available.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 05-28-2021

You’re a footy fan who is outraged that the AFL takes the necessary steps to ensure games can be played. Interesting. Maybe your outrage is as sincere as Captain Renault’s in Casablanca when he closed down Rick’s Café upon being shocked to discover gambling was taking place.

AFL players may be celebs but they’re also workers. The AFL mandates testing and adherence to protocols worked out with the various governments. Remember a few players have been 86’d for breaching them. The players don’t wake up in the morning and decide they’d like their brains massaged through their nostrils just for fun.

Does the AFL have privileged access to testing? I don’t know. I remember seeing film of them attending a drive-through testing station. Maybe that was one open to the public, maybe not. Until this latest outbreak, authorities were begging Victorians to get tested and there really weren’t any queues. But access to tests has hardly been restricted. If the AFL has, like other employers such as hospitals, organised its own testing of its workers, that’s hardly a basis for crying privilege. Are players’ samples processed more quickly? Unknown. But if there are private firms that process tests more quickly at the employers expense and the government requires the AFL to pay for that service, is that celeb-style privilege?

As with the comment about MRIs, I’d be more than happy to kill off the private option in healthcare and education. Get rid of private hospitals and private schools. But until that occurs, it’s a bit rich to slam people who pay privately for those services.