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Re: General Discussions - capcom - 05-07-2021
As sadly pathetic and unelectable as those two clowns are, imagine Karen Rudd or Turnbull [member=160]Gointocarlton[/member]
Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 05-07-2021
(05-07-2021, 12:37 AM)capcom link Wrote:As sadly pathetic and unelectable as those two clowns are, imagine Karen Rudd or Turnbull [member=160]Gointocarlton[/member]Rudd had a head I just want to smack. Turnbull turned into a bigger imbecile than he already was.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 05-07-2021
I hope Rudd's and Turnbull's demands for a Murdoch Royal Commission are successful.
Rudd had pretty decent policies IMO. His demeanour can be a little grating, but that should never be a factor in how you vote.
Re: General Discussions - capcom - 05-07-2021
(05-07-2021, 12:39 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Rudd had a head I just want to smack. Turnbull turned into a bigger imbecile than he already was.
They're both very sick attention seeking puppies.
Re: General Discussions - Baggers - 05-07-2021
Nothing like politics to polarise folks!
I recall a quote from Einstein that I'll paraphrase, it went something like, 'when someone is blindly loyal to any political party or ideology they no longer need their brain as they will think what they're told to think (by that political party or ideology leader). All they require is a brain stem to breath, walk and eat.' He had a similar opinion for those who declared themselves, 'patriots.'
When I think of Albo, ScoMo, Dutton, Shorten, Cash... etc., all I see are shallow opportunists.
Although I may not agree entirely with their ideologies, I do see (saw) sincerity and a genuine concern for all Aussies from Rudd, Howard, Turnbull, Hawke and a few others. None were perfect.
But I think that the bottom line is that, globally, there are very few 'real' leaders... people of vision, altruism, business acumen, superior negotiation skills, courage and genuine substance. Dare I say that in the modern world we tend to see more boldness and vision from women leaders!!! (Except M. Cash - shallowness and simplistic thinking personified).
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 05-07-2021
Einstein was in favour of Socialism.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 05-07-2021
This is his famous essay, first published in 1949, entitled "Why Socialism ?"
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
Re: General Discussions - LP - 05-07-2021
[member=64]PaulP[/member] Would you say socialism has roots in some very fundamental religious principles?
I often think about this when I see the likes of ScoMo preach liberal policies, while worshipping socially.
Of course some may claim perhaps what ScoMo and his like really worship, is the business of religion, the capitalist version! This seems to be a philosophical debate that plays out in all religions, I've seen it play out first hand during my years of schooling, and subsequently when some school friends entered then exited the clergy. Victorians might see this demonstrated in the behavioural differences between for example Rev George Pell and Father Bob Macguire.
Re: General Discussions - Baggers - 05-07-2021
(05-07-2021, 01:56 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Einstein was in favour of Socialism.
Yes, but it was really inspired by humanitarianism which was a great passion of his. Circa 1932 Albert could see what was happening in Germany and started a movement, of sorts, to promote humanitarianism as a way to short-circuit growing nationalism & Hitler. After a fair while, he had 3 signatures! He packed his bags and went to the US at the end of the year.
Highly intelligent (IQ & EI) folks can envision the natural consequences of certain behaviours/movements, generally well before the rank and file.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 05-07-2021
(05-07-2021, 02:23 AM)LP link Wrote:Would you say socialism has roots in some very fundamental religious principles?
I often think about this when I see the likes of ScoMo preach liberal policies, while worshipping socially.
Of course some may claim perhaps what ScoMo and his like really worship, is the business of religion, the capitalist version!
I'm only familiar with Christianity, so I can't comment on others. Also, I don't really like the word "fundamental" when used in religious discussions, for obvious reasons.
I'm not a practising Christian, and haven't been for 30 years. But I do take an interest in contemporary Biblical scholarship. That one simple word "religion" covers an enormous amount of territory. The Bible consists of 66 books (73 in the Catholic version), written over a 1000 year period. Many of the authors are unknown, and whomever they were had no idea they were writing something that would end up in the Bible. Various groups, councils, individuals etc. came together in the early days of Christianity to formalise the faith and put together the books that ended up in the Bible. There are libraries solely dedicated to this history, and suffice to say this isn't the time or place to delve too deeply into this (even if I was familiar with this history, which I'm not, except for the sketchiest of outlines).
One of the problems with the Bible is that it is very uneven, very contradictory. If you want to be literal or bend the rules of interpretation, you can find a quote to justify anything. It's well documented that the Bible has been used to justify slavery, subordination of women, and a whole lot more. But Christianity has done a lot of good. As H. Richard Niebuhr said, religion is a good thing for good people, and a bad thing for bad people.
Getting back to your original question, one could posit a link between socialist ideals and an aspect of Christianity known as the Social Gospel, but I'm not sure that organised Socialist or Communist countries had much use for or interest in religion.
I'm no fan of the ScoMo take on religion, which unfortunately is very common. I think it's infantile. Progressive Christianity tries to emphasise orthopraxy (what you do) rather than orthodoxy (what you believe). I'm not much interested in whether someone believes in the Virgin Birth, or the physical resurrection of Jesus. I'm interested in what they're doing to make the world a better place.