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Re: JLT game 3 - PaulP - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 02:11 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Hopefully Pickett and LeBois/Polson/Sumner/SPS can start creating some real movement/fluidity/space in the forward line.....it's about having multiple legitimate options to goal, not just whether you're 199+cm.....
I hope so.
Re: JLT game 3 - Thryleon - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 02:11 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Hopefully Pickett and LeBois/Polson/Sumner/SPS can start creating some real movement/fluidity/space in the forward line.....it's about having multiple legitimate options to goal, not just whether you're 199+cm.....
You can already see us trying to move the ball more deliberately during play. Where it falls over somewhat is that when the pressure builds, the players release option is to go long to a contest, and our players have historically had issues dealing with that inferred pressure and are prone to using this get out a little too frequently.
They will improve this in time, but until they do, expect to see the chaos ball more often than not.
Composure is something that is difficult to teach, but once learned will go a long way for us. Its one reason not to be overly concerned about players getting caught in possession because as they gain composure under pressure, they will invariably get caught more frequently as there is less rush involved in trying to build the play appropriately.
Ive watched Hawthorn do similar. They sometimes bomb away knowing that once it gets down there, the boys will lock it in and put the opposition on the back foot through their forward pressure. I think thats the part we do the worst rather than anything else. The ball seems to come back too easily rather than anything else.
Re: JLT game 3 - sydneybluesfan - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 01:06 AM)shadesy link Wrote:Our Forward line will Continue to Struggle until:3. We recruit and retain forwards who can kick goals at AFL level.
1. We look at 40+ entries a game
2. We decide that panicked kicks to the top of the square is not the best decision.
I don't disagree with what anybody has said, but for mine we have a serious lack of talented forwards and it is that, as much as anything, that will hold us back this year. And I don't mean putting all your eggs in one basket, we need 4-5 players who can kick 25+ goals.
The issue we have with Weitering now is created by the massive hole we have on our list called 'Goal kicking forwards'. We have recruited a bunch of young guys to start filling this hole, but history tells you 1-2 at best will make it.
We still have Gorringe, Jones and KJ sitting on the list who were recruited to fill this hole, and I don't think there is a person on this site who can see any one of them playing anything other than occasional cameo. Which begs the question why are they still there, why didn't we cut our losses and take a punt on a mature aged rookie or 2 to try and fill the hole until Kerr/McKay are ready to make a serious impact [which is going to be 2-3 years best case].
Our inside 50 numbers are not that bad, but our conversion of i50's to scoring shots, and scoring shots into goals, is terrible as I have detailed in other threads. The teams with the most talented and deep forward line players [Adelaide / GWS / Hawthorn] convert their i50's into scoring shots about 50% of time, and convert 55% of those into goals. We convert only 40% of our i50's into shots, and convert 50% into goals. The skill level of your forwards, and the how many of them you have, will directly impact both these numbers significantly.
Re: JLT game 3 - Amers - 03-15-2017
Bolton has already said it, but I agree with him, play Weiters back this year with the occasional qtr forward.
Put him on the best opposition forward every week, let him learn from that and then from 2018 onward play him as a permanent forward. That's how I see it.
On a totally different note, I want to see Jaksch given a chance with an extended run (3-4 games) as a forward, in the seniors. He can't be any worse than Casboult or Jones, and surely ahead of Mackay at the moment. I hope his papers have not been prematurely stamped. I'm not saying he will make it, but I reckon he deserves a chance to prove it 1 way or another.
Re: JLT game 3 - sydneybluesfan - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 02:47 AM)Amers link Wrote:Bolton has already said it, but I agree with him, play Weiters back this year with the occasional qtr forward.Couldn't agree more on KJ. Surely on the basis of a couple of ok pre season NB games he has to be given a shot to see if he can help the setup and structure of the forward line. With Gorringe injured, Jones underwhelming in his JLT appearance and McKay probably needing a few NB games under his belt to get his confidence up before playing up, it seems like the most sensible option we have.
Put him on the best opposition forward every week, let him learn from that and then from 2018 onward play him as a permanent forward. That's how I see it.
On a totally different note, I want to see Jaksch given a chance with an extended run (3-4 games) as a forward, in the seniors. He can't be any worse than Casboult or Jones, and surely ahead of Mackay at the moment. I hope his papers have not been prematurely stamped. I'm not saying he will make it, but I reckon he deserves a chance to prove it 1 way or another.
If he doesn't get a gig now you would think he never would [barring total catastrophe], which begs the question what is he doing on the list then??
Re: JLT game 3 - cookie2 - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 03:03 AM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:Couldn't agree more on KJ. Surely on the basis of a couple of ok pre season NB games he has to be given a shot to see if he can help the setup and structure of the forward line. With Gorringe injured, Jones underwhelming in his JLT appearance and McKay probably needing a few NB games under his belt to get his confidence up before playing up, it seems like the most sensible option we have.
If he doesn't get a gig now you would think he never would [barring total catastrophe], which begs the question what is he doing on the list then??
We need to find out the real truth about KJ as soon as possible! If he's any good by Christ we need him. If he's not, then at least we'll know and we can move on.
Re: JLT game 3 - DJC - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 02:47 AM)Amers link Wrote:Bolton has already said it, but I agree with him, play Weiters back this year with the occasional qtr forward.
Put him on the best opposition forward every week, let him learn from that and then from 2018 onward play him as a permanent forward. That's how I see it.
On a totally different note, I want to see Jaksch given a chance with an extended run (3-4 games) as a forward, in the seniors. He can't be any worse than Casboult or Jones, and surely ahead of Mackay at the moment. I hope his papers have not been prematurely stamped. I'm not saying he will make it, but I reckon he deserves a chance to prove it 1 way or another.
Yes he can
I hope that Jaksch proves me wrong but, to borrow a line from Kruddler, he is unlikely to be our saviour. Unless he has had a significant change in attitude, application and effort, playing him for 3-4 games would be much like conceding defeat.
Re: JLT game 3 - Gointocarlton - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 05:48 AM)DJC link Wrote:Yes he canFollow Nicky G and KJ on social media and you'll get an insight as to why they can't crack it for a game.
I hope that Jaksch proves me wrong but, to borrow a line from Kruddler, he is unlikely to be our saviour. Unless he has had a significant change in attitude, application and effort, playing him for 3-4 games would be much like conceding defeat.
Re: JLT game 3 - sydneybluesfan - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 08:18 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Follow Nicky G and KJ on social media and you'll get an insight as to why they can't crack it for a game.I'm not a big user of social media - care to elaborate a little??
Re: JLT game 3 - PaulP - 03-15-2017
(03-15-2017, 08:35 AM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:I'm not a big user of social media - care to elaborate a little??
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