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Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - Lods - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 08:12 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:He is an elite contested mark, a dying breed in the game. What he can do you can turn into gold.
You can...but will it ever happen?
He has the skills and his kicking has improved.
He promises a lot...has for a while... but we really need him to take that next step.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - RiverRat - 02-19-2016
Biggest positive for me was a trait of the better teams that has been missing from the Blues for many years - namely, creating fierce pressure by aggressively closing on the player who is about to receive the ball instead of waiting until he gets it and then simply trying to corral him.
The players were excellent in this regard until they started to run out of legs and the difference from previous years was stark.
The fact that we no longer had soft-cocks Menzel and Yarran probably helped - they were two who rarely tried to close down an opponent until he had already gained possession and then they used to have a think about it before doing anything.
Despite some negative comments about Gibbs, I though he also showed willingness to improve in this area.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - Juddkreuzer - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 08:12 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:He is an elite contested mark, a dying breed in the game. What he can do you can turn into gold.
And he has improved every year. His accuracy last year was at a totally acceptable level for a key forward, he has a big motor and can impose himself around the ground and all this without a bona fide second or third forward to support him. What an important player he will be when Charlie and Harry start having an influence. He definitely offers far more than Brad Fisher ever did.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - DJC - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 08:27 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:Biggest positive for me was a trait of the better teams that has been missing from the Blues for many years - namely, creating fierce pressure by aggressively closing on the player who is about to receive the ball instead of waiting until he gets it and then simply trying to corral him.
The players were excellent in this regard until they started to run out of legs and the difference from previous years was stark.
The fact that we no longer had soft-cocks Menzel and Yarran probably helped - they were two who rarely tried to close down an opponent until he had already gained possession and then they used to have a think about it before doing anything.
Despite some negative comments about Gibbs, I though he also showed willingness to improve in this area.
That was a very noticeable change RR. To me it was a switch from passive to active defence. It was probably also a factor in the free kick disparity - that and some inexplicable decisions. I imagine we won't infringe as often when active defence is second nature.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - PassIt2Carrots - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 08:26 AM)Lods link Wrote:You can...but will it ever happen?
He has the skills and his kicking has improved.
He promises a lot...has for a while... but we really need him to take that next step.
Yep, I think it's almost a given that he will take that step. Big men always take time and Cas was as raw as they come.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - flyboy77 - 02-19-2016
Quote:and some inexplicable decisions
inexplicable = BS.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - blue4life - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 09:38 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Yep, I think it's almost a given that he will take that step. Big men always take time and Cas was as raw as they come.
That's what we said about Hampson for five years or more, and anyone who called him for the spud he is was shouted down.
Levi is what, 26 or so?
What you see is what you get.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - blue4life - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 08:27 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:Biggest positive for me was a trait of the better teams that has been missing from the Blues for many years - namely, creating fierce pressure by aggressively closing on the player who is about to receive the ball instead of waiting until he gets it and then simply trying to corral him.
The players were excellent in this regard until they started to run out of legs and the difference from previous years was stark.
The fact that we no longer had soft-cocks Menzel and Yarran probably helped - they were two who rarely tried to close down an opponent until he had already gained possession and then they used to have a think about it before doing anything.
Despite some negative comments about Gibbs, I though he also showed willingness to improve in this area.
I agree.
Despite our continuing skills deficiencies there were some pleasing signs, we might win a few on guts alone.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - Juddkreuzer - 02-19-2016
(02-19-2016, 09:56 AM)blue4life link Wrote:That's what we said about Hampson for five years or more, and anyone who called him for the spud he is was shouted down.
Levi is what, 26 or so?
What you see is what you get.
Hampson took one contested mark in 5 years.
Compare him to Hawkins who is 2 years his senior, has played in a quality side and took a similar time to come of age as a presence.
Re: NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium - jeza - 02-19-2016
Throwing a theory out there - what if we didn't use Murphy and Gibbs in the middle any more?
Against decent opposition both go to water and suck the rest of the team down the vortex they leave behind.
Can we shuffle them out to the flanks / wings where they might be All Australian quality? Gibbs off half-back. Murphy as a small forward / wingman.
Hand the midfield to Cripps to lead with rotations between more accountable players like Whiley, Kerridge, Curnow, Plowman, Tutt, etc.?
Murphy and Gibbs are 3 quarters of our problem in my opinion. Too easy to beat. They do not make it hard enough for their opponents, they let the team down with little or no accountability and unless it's all flowing their way are a liability.
The 2 of them are p1ssweak but they have that "best of a bad lot" position on our list so nobody cares.
Leave them out of the midfield plans and we might be able to build something worthwhile.