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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - flyboy77 - 01-11-2021
Trump sniping aside, Stan nails it well.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-10/us-toxic-politics-started-long-before-donald-trump-arrived/13042856
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 01-11-2021
Here’s a pretty horrifying look into the sewer that is the Alt-Right:
Inside the Alt-Right Meltdown After Failed Capitol Putsch, Yahoo/Daily Beast.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 01-11-2021
(01-11-2021, 12:30 PM)Mav date Wrote:Here’s a pretty horrifying look into the sewer that is the Alt-Right:In fairness, the author of that article is very far from neutral, he's probably as close to being one of McCarthy's Commis as you can get, but that fact does not invalidate his commentary it just questions his motive and exposes how difficult it is for the neutral majority to be heard.
Inside the Alt-Right Meltdown After Failed Capitol Putsch, Yahoo/Daily Beast.
The media, both commercial and social, loves conflict.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 01-11-2021
(01-11-2021, 07:14 AM)DJC link Wrote:But not in that context Thry.
An audience of Proud Boys and other militant right wingers, many armed, some with explosives and most spoiling for a fight.
And then there’s the body language of the POTUS and the other speakers. Watch the videos.
The POTUS has been building this up since before the election. He was determined to hang on to power and knew that his MAGA base and other disaffected nutters would do his bidding, and do his bidding they did.
I know that you’re not a Trump supporter Thry; you’re too smart for that. But you can be contrary at times ?
Look DJC, I can appreciate that people are inferring meaning in his comments, we have had to the whole way through, but the same people who inferred meaning now, didnt in the past.
They made lists like the following without even worrying what the inference was about.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/20/politics/trump-lines-of-the-year-the-point/index.html
Im going to point at this one line.
Quote:35. "You know, with Biden, you go like this -- whew -- and he goes down."
No big deal! Just the President of the United States saying he would knock out the former vice president of the United States with one punch!
Things are sometimes mentioned literally, figuratively, and with Trump, often preposterously.
In this case, its looking at what he has stated, how he has stated it, and to whom he was aiming the comments, whilst profiling that audience and equating it to making violence happen.
Thats a quantum leap for a man, who has not been known to make statements well.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 01-11-2021
Time to cut Islamic extremists some slack? If we judged them as some would judge Trump, it’s hardly their fault if their audience fails to realise that they’re speaking rhetorically. Maybe they’re just doing it ironically to troll the Christians. Who are we to infer any malice? And yet Western governments crack down on their online communications. Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 01-12-2021
Peaceful protest!
![[Image: Minneapolis-riot-1140x570.jpg]](https://theglobepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Minneapolis-riot-1140x570.jpg)
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 01-12-2021
[member=26]madbluboy[/member] I'm confused by this thread/debate, some posts seem to be discussing BLM and others Capitol Hill.
I don't get the relevance of the above image from May, it's a BLM protest, and BLM bears no specific relationship to GOP or Conservative as it bridges both sides of politics. Which is in no way a commentary about the validity of actions, all violent protests are wrong.
Is there some attempt to paint BLM as political ideology specific?
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 01-12-2021
Sunrise were discussing it the other day. Said Trump took stronger action on what was a peaceful protest.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 01-12-2021
Haven’t you got the hang of this false equivalence thing yet LP? Here’s a quick lesson. Black and white are both colours, so black = white.
You’d think if you really were trying to find true equivalence b/w Trump inciting a deadly attack on the US Government and the BLM protests, you’d think there’d be some thought put into tying The Democratic Party to any riots. Sadly, the first problem that arises is that Biden unequivocally condemned anything but peaceful protesting.
I guess the fallback is to say that supporting peaceful BLM protesting was wrong, First Amendment be damned (cancel culture anyone?), as criminals and extremists may take advantage of them. But that would be inconsistent with the defence of Trump that you can’t hold someone responsible for the actions of extremists even when inciting violence.
Damn, it’s so hard to put together a false equivalence that isn’t obviously bogus.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 01-12-2021
Trump said he wanted a peaceful protest too.