(07-25-2018, 05:32 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:No obvious candidate for the job either, I'll give Bolton 12 months then MLG and SOS will sacrifice him to save themselves IMO.....the spectre of Ros Lyon might start shadowing
the club by then as well if Freo are not doing so well.Like an Italian cruise ship captain Ross doesnt mind abandoning the ship(see Stkilda) when the going gets tough and he might want a fresh start with some old friends like MLG and SOS to welcome him onboard a new club......unless he thinks we are too Titanic like and wants something a bit more cruisy....

(07-25-2018, 05:32 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:No obvious candidate for the job either, I'll give Bolton 12 months then MLG and SOS will sacrifice him to save themselves IMO.....the spectre of Ros Lyon might start shadowing
the club by then as well if Freo are not doing so well.Like an Italian cruise ship captain Ross doesnt mind abandoning the ship(see Stkilda) when the going gets tough and he might want a fresh start with some old friends like MLG and SOS to welcome him onboard a new club......unless he thinks we are too Titanic like and wants something a bit more cruisy....

(07-25-2018, 06:05 AM)laj link Wrote:Historically though, under old regimes we'd have busts already. We don't have any of those yet, even the ones in the picks 50,60s, maybe even 70s range. We're getting good footy out of the likes of Curnow and Fisher obviously, Weitering looked so much better in a proper role, Mckay, although not in Curnow's class yet, looks like he belongs at this level. Dow and O'Brien have certainly been worth the picks and Williamson looks a good type. Like to see more from SPS especially, Cunningham and SOJ, but a couple of those will do better in their right roles, but they show the ability to get there. SOJ looks like he'll go ok in defence. Like to see the likes of Macreadie have a bit more luck.

Some will be very good, some solid, some even just good to foot soldiers but so far no busts, at least thus far, a novelty at Carlton. That will have to be useful to us somewhere, surely.  Polson maybe the one who's been least impressive but he has a good crack and played his best game last week.

Shows our mindset, not so much on how many become really good, but relieved there's no busts yet...lol.

(07-25-2018, 06:05 AM)laj link Wrote:Historically though, under old regimes we'd have busts already. We don't have any of those yet, even the ones in the picks 50,60s, maybe even 70s range. We're getting good footy out of the likes of Curnow and Fisher obviously, Weitering looked so much better in a proper role, Mckay, although not in Curnow's class yet, looks like he belongs at this level. Dow and O'Brien have certainly been worth the picks and Williamson looks a good type. Like to see more from SPS especially, Cunningham and SOJ, but a couple of those will do better in their right roles, but they show the ability to get there. SOJ looks like he'll go ok in defence. Like to see the likes of Macreadie have a bit more luck.

Some will be very good, some solid, some even just good to foot soldiers but so far no busts, at least thus far, a novelty at Carlton. That will have to be useful to us somewhere, surely.  Polson maybe the one who's been least impressive but he has a good crack and played his best game last week.

Shows our mindset, not so much on how many become really good, but relieved there's no busts yet...lol.

(07-25-2018, 07:31 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Not convinced about OBrien.....for a pick 10 he has poor attack on the ball at times very outside, disposal has been horrendous IMO and along with Polson is the least impressive IMO....Polsons skills are poor and his nous for a AFL player is high school like...but he does have a go and I guess thats a starting point.
Cuningham...more talent and better attack on the ball than OBrien but spasmodic in his efforts, its when he feels like it...
SPS...like his talent and skill ,thats not the problem as it wasnt with Chris Yarran...its more of the same we get with Cuningham its when he feels like going he does or he can go missing for long periods.
Weitering....talent and maturity is there but the confidence has taking a pounding after a few nasty hits and he is treacle slow and I mean slow....he needs remedial sprint work just to be average paced. He isnt a physical unit like a Jeremy Mcgovern so he needs to be quicker and more athletic and he isnt ,thats his problem.

Mckay......got talent and skill but looks like he is playing games on his phone at times and just cruising along like life is easy and there isnt much need to hurry or
over exert himself...yet to figure out if that is just Harry being laconic or he really cant be stuffed getting a sweat up.
Jack....feel a bit sorry for Jack, hard gig following the old man and extra hard when your old man is the head recruiter and you were a 50/50 pick given your TAC form was ok but not a brilliant.
He does have a crack does Jack and seems to want to learn and cement a spot, he isnt quick, kicking skills are fair and hasnt got the natural ability of some of the other draftees but he will give you a contest
and is willing to play anywhere so I'll cut him some slack given he has a bit more pressure on him.

Dow....got some raw talent especially pace which we need,just needs to find a few gears and use the ball better at times...more convinced about him being ok though than a few others.
Attack on the ball is good and he is a good size for the modern midfielder......

Williamson is a good footballer, liked him from day 1...good size, has a go and a great kick...only worry are those back injuries long term..

MacReadie....honest backman, good attitude, lacks a bit of natural nous and can make ordinary decisions under pressure...50/50 to make it...

Fisher....been great, wanted him pre draft after his championship form and he hasnt let anyone down, like Kade Simpson he seems  to contribute every game
and he has the smarts in traffic which only the real good players have..big tick

(07-25-2018, 08:02 AM)Lods link Wrote:While I tend to agree with you that 1 out of 17 isn't good enough....and the young ones are promising...
one of the things we're not seeing with them, and also with the older players, is continuity.

Rarely (if at all) have we fielded the same side this year.
It's hard to get a combination  and understanding going if the bloke alongside you is constantly changing.
Only 4 of our players have played every game this year

Just with the kids...
Dow, Fisher, SPS and Charlie have had plenty of game time, and as a result have probably shown the most, 
but down the list.... through injury and omission

Weitering 11
Silvagni 11
McKay 8
Polson 7
Cunningham 5
Kerr 4
Williamson 0
Macreadie 0

and next cabs off the rank....
De Koning 0
Schumacher 0

Key players.....
Kreuzer 12
Murphy 8
Docherty 0...have missed plenty.

and some of the players from other clubs recruited to boost us have struggled for games. (some might suggest one or two might have had too many )

Mullett 11
Garlett 11
Kennedy 10
Lang 6
Pickett 4
Lobbe 1

Others already on the list from last season have also missed through injury or form

Plowman 13
Casboult 10
Kerridge 8
Graham 8
Marchbank 7
Phillips 5
Byrne 2

We've used a lot of players this year but the combination has been anything but settled.

(07-25-2018, 01:40 AM)laj link Wrote:Not one of the u18s we have drafted the last 3 years has been a bust.

(07-25-2018, 08:34 AM)kruddler link Wrote:SPS has gone backwards this year. Not far backwards, be he's not the first player to have the second year blues. It's not a bad thing gives him a taste of reality that it takes hard work as well as talent.
Weitering has gone backwards also. Interesting that he has started to look much better over the last couple of weeks and I'd say is nearly back to Weitering of old, seems to preform better when he's the main gun down back.
OBrien is lacking any real influence on games at this stage. Is just a kid and has improved on what we first saw, right attitude and has a high football iq will be outstanding in years to come and if you can't see that ....
McKay is showing potential, but is lucky to touch the ball a handful of times in 2 hours of football. Is very young and is developing, needs a few more years to really match it with key defenders, but again took 8 marks on the weekend.
Cunningham has plenty of question marks on him. Has some question marks on him but the best of him is what we are lacking, straight line attacking player with pace and a willingness to get his own ball
Jack has just been moved to his 3rd (of 3) part of the ground in an attempt to find him a role. How many 4th round picks make it?
Kerr is having very limited influence on games How many 4th round picks make it
Polsen is far from convincing and lucky to get a contract extension. Played his best game against Hawthorn and may have needed that block of games to gain confidence, is fast, tough (knocked out and still played on) and a very willing tackler, under 10 games.
Macreadie and Williamson have question marks on their body. This is laughable - Williamson is still growing much the same as Harry did in his first season and was doing weights putting pressure on his spine. 15 games in his first year and a hot spot on his back so the club did the right thing and shut him down. Macreadie again was young and possibly still growing while doing weights and has been having hamstring problems which again are connected to the back and if still growing will create problems.
DeKoning and Schumacher haven't fired a shot yet. Schumacher was BOG in the 2s and in his first year DeKoning is a big man playing behind other young bigs.

How you could write anyone off yet, or even suggest it is beyond me. That being said I hold fears ATM for Jack and Kerr and would think that if they weren't who they are they wouldn't have played half the amount of games they had.

Fisher and Curnowfides, definite hits.
Dow is looking good without looking great.


I'd lock in 3 out of 15 at this stage.
The other 12 will most likely give us some players, but i guarantee some of them will be a bust.