(04-15-2021, 09:56 PM)LP link Wrote:Yes, they should stop telling us how many are dead, nearly 3 Million now, and more about how many have long long term symptoms that are managed as outpatients.

Do we really want to know? :o

(04-16-2021, 10:38 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:yes.  Id like to know exactly whats happening before getting a vaccine that could kill someone in my demographic.  Im almost 40.

As for long term managed outpatients, you'd have to know specifically what the issues are.  After all if its only 1 in 1000 chance of a long covid episode then that still matches the statistical blood clots count from the vaccine.  Right?

(04-16-2021, 12:38 PM)LP link Wrote:I heard an epidemiologist today state how crazy it is to suspend/cut any of the vaccines, at this stage in Europe vaccination rates have fallen by about 1 million per day, and COVID cases are now rising in many locations. He said it's expected that 10%(100K) of those 1 million now not getting vaccinated daily due to the cut will get COVID, and out of that shortfall group at least 5 will die and 3000 will get long COVID, while if they had vaccinated that 100K COVID cases none would get severe or long COVID, and only 1/2 a person per day gets a clotting issue.

30% of all COVID patients, on the full spectrum from asymptomatic to severe, will suffer from some form of clotting or low platelet count issue.

0.0005% of COVID vaccine recipients get a severe clot issue.

That is interesting based on the newest news. Today it's surfaced that the UK has an almost 50/50 strike rate for clotting from Adenovirus or mRNA vaccines. It's all been kept a bit quiet on the Moderna / Pfizer side of the debate, apparently Moderna(mRNA) has been under investigation in the US for several weeks and it's not been made public.

There is lots and lots of politics going on in all this.

(04-16-2021, 01:09 PM)Thryleon date Wrote:I heard an epidemiologist state we wouldn't see a covid vaccine that works yet here we are less than a year later debating whether or not its worth having.... Yet they are still all greater > 98% effective!
At the end of the day, its all a matter of perspective.  We are all guided by our biases, our personal beliefs, and most dangerously, a statistical analysis that seems to be made with biases in mind, and no real information.  Its amazing how they kept the blood clots and low platelet counts so quiet until the vaccine started yielding similar issues as an example of how little we are told.

Quite convenient for it to come up now isnt it?

(04-17-2021, 01:25 AM)LP link Wrote:I think paranoia knows no bounds, and is a bed fellow of correlation.

btw., An epidemiologist is in effect a type of forensic statistician not necessarily a virologist or immunologist. The two seem to be conveniently and very wrongly interchanged in many public debates.

I notice nobody in the media or social media like to mention that the clotting rates in the vaccinated are still below background clotting levels, which ironically suggests all the vaccines prevent clots. That's something an epidemiologist can comment on, cherry anyone?

(04-17-2021, 03:13 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Yeah nah not the point.

The point is that you can interchange the opinions from each one so therefore to assert yours is better than mine is what I'd call a logical fallousy.

My expert said middle of last year that no vaccine has been found for the sars family of viruses despite 12 years and a concerted effort to find one, and then wooshka.  7 months into a pandemic we have not 1, but 5 or even more options available.

(04-17-2021, 05:51 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:and the cause of clots has only risen its head in media once the vaccine caused some and not one mention of blood clots came to the fore with all the media we have heard about it until now.

Before you go quoting experts, I believe these are the same type of experts that made the decision to introduce the cane toad to Australia.  It seemed like a good idea at the time, and the studies showed that they could help.  Right?